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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    No one is saying medically necessary procedures be outlawed?
    Tell that to Savita Halappanavar's husband and family.
    She died from septic poisioning and may have been saved if doctors had aborted the dying fetus right away but because of Ireland's abortion bann and the fact theycould still hear a fetal heartbeat even though they knew for a fact the fetus was dying and they would never be able to save it they refused to give her an abortion.


    I don't know the precentages but I do know when I was about 20 weeks gestation and went into the ER with early labor hoping the doctors could stop my labor so I might be able to continue the pregnancy and hopefully give birth to a healthy baby..I was told my pregnancy test came back negitive but the doctor who was covering for my doctor did not want to come in that day so they shot me full of meds to stop the labor and he would be in the next day to preform the abortion.

    I only needed a DC ( dusting and cleaning) the next day beause when I transfrered from the gurrney to bed the very malformed fetus was expelled and I accidently saw how deformed it was. My doctor told me that fetus never would been viaible even if I had carried it longer.
    Thank you for revealing that.

    You know what? "Sanctity of life"? They don't think that applies to you. In fact, they don't care what you went thru at all. They each have their platitudes. That is all that matter to them - and they will endlessly say them in as many ways as possible over and over again. You don't matter. You're just for making babies who have a right to life. You don't. You're just the vessel.

    Again, thank you. I've told a couple of personal situations. They don't care or just made snide remarks.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    About 8 percent of all pregnancies carry the risk of death due to preeclampsia,eclampsia, HELLP syndrome and other variants of the syndrome. Each one of the 8 percent who gets those syndromes may end up dying. We never know when a pregnancy might take a turn and become life threatening to someone we love.

    Another 1 to 2.5 percent of pregnancies are etopic pregnancies which are also life threatening.

    So about 1 out 10 pregnancies can be life threatening just from 2 of the many types of life threatening complications.... eclampsia variants and etopic pregnancies.



    Roughly 300 women in the USA do die every year from 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome. About 75,000 more USA women who had severe complications from these syndromes are counted as “near misses”—.


    My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
    C section.


    She went to the ER a few weeks before her due date because she was getting a horrible pain in her back just below her ribs which was caused because she was bleeding into the liver.
    Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because she had so much bleeding into the liver.


    Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.
    My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year developes 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 women who do die every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 women every year who are counted as near misses.



    Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today - The Daily Beast

    Now many woman want to gestate and give birth and do not mind taking the risk.

    During my first pregnancy my kidneys were damaged and my life was at risk but I wanted to give birth so I continued my pregnancy knowing I might not live to see my little one or even know if I had a boy or girl.

    But after my personal experiences I could never support a law or a country that would force a woman to risk her life and continue a pregnancy she did not want.

    On the other side of the coin I would never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    I feel each pregnant woman should have a choice.

    500,000 women die each year from pregnancy and labor.
    5,000,000 women are premanently crippled each year from pregnancy and labor.
    They do not care.

    But they do not believe women have a right to life. There is no santity of life for woman. Women are not human life. Women are just organic incubators for men's children. Nothing else. Rapists have rights in procreation. Women don't. That's God's law - or natural law - in their opinion.

    All their platitudes originate from men. Men wrote the Bible. Men made the rules. The standards. Men overwhelming dominate every legislative body making these women-are-our-babymaking-slaves rules. Many women are raised with those values of men ground into them from their earliest childhood. Men write the rules. Rules that say they decide what risks women take. They decide that women must risk death for their children.

    All their hollow lofty words of "santity of human life" and "life begins at conception" really go back to the premise that men rule women and once a man inpregnates a woman - regardless of her age and whether she consented or not - from that moment on he has total power over her - including life and death. It is evil men who made their slogans and platitudes. Rapist men. Men who treated women like slaves.

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    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    good way to back off and try to start over LMAO

    1.)really, so which scientific fact were you implying i argued?
    2.) again, whats ironic about it unless i was denying it a fact, explain why its ironic? I dont take it into consideration for the reason already mentioned "entity, baby, kid, life, ZEF, zygote, fetus, child, jane, john etc is inside the woman, is not viable until 21 weeks at best and its presences alone is a risk of life." so its unique DNA is meaningless
    3.) you already answer your questions, The DNA is meaningless to the discussion and the other reason is VIABILITY

    theres factually no way to grant equal rights to both the ZEF and the WOMAN, everything single time somebody is giving up rights.

    So logically i can never come up with a reason to force a woman to give up here right, liberties and freedoms and also force her to risk her life against her will before the ZEF is even viable, that asinine.
    1. You didn't argue it, I think you misunderstood me
    2. It's ironic because you don't care what it is or what it's called until it is viable, when scientific fact shows you it is the same DNA since conception.
    3. Again, why do you grant the fetus more rights around viability? Wouldn't a third term pregnancy pose more threat to mom's life?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    1. You didn't argue it, I think you misunderstood me
    2. It's ironic because you don't care what it is or what it's called until it is viable, when scientific fact shows you it is the same DNA since conception.
    3. Again, why do you grant the fetus more rights around viability? Wouldn't a third term pregnancy pose more threat to mom's life?
    1.) nope you either misspoke or are now back pedaling, pick one because im going by your words
    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    I can see that you really aren't debating scientific fact at all
    so again i ask, what scientific fact was i debating? hence arguing

    2.) false again, "I" care the whole time LMAO but for the abortion debate it doesnt matter
    also you keep repeating that scientific fact shows me its the same DNA like it was denied or something. It simply doesnt matter to the abortion debate, what dont you get

    3.) Again i answered you already. I dont grant it anything i said id be ok if it was given more rights at viability because now we are talking about two living things and BOTH are viable.
    yes a third term COULD but imo i think thats more than enough time to make a decision if you want to try to give birth or abort though, also the 21 week limit would be a SOFT limit if it was up to me. Case by case since it is still in the mother and still a threat.

    so im still waiting for you to prove out any opinion i pushed as fact ot anything i called a fact that isnt? or are you gonna keep dodging this

    so now this is your goal

    point out where i pushed opinion ad fact or called something a fact that wasnt

    actually focus on your original lie of a post

    and just spit out what you would really like to ask me, because it glaringly obvious you have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to my stance, what i posted and facts.

    SO lets educated you further and get you back on track
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Republicans now do have a murderous war on women in a literal sense.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Republicans now do have a murderous war on women in a literal sense.
    Here's a post in that same spirit

    "Liberals are all a bunch of baby murderers!"

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by welliam wittier View Post
    here's a post in that same spirit

    "liberals are all a bunch of baby murderers!"
    all ? Every liberal? No exceptions?
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    all ? Every liberal? No exceptions?
    I have the same question for Joko about his comments and republicans.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Welliam Wittier View Post
    I have the same question for Joko about his comments and republicans.
    Well ask him.
    Don't ask me...I am not a baby killer and I have not been a republican in the last few years.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Well ask him.
    Don't ask me...I am not a baby killer and I have not been a republican in the last few years.
    I'm not a baby killer either - and there are a bunch of messages all over the forum calling me a rightwing Tea Partier too. Actually I'm now a yellow dog feminist Democrat - specifically because of this issue of Republicans passing laws to force little girls to have their rapists babies and insuring all would-be rapists they'll do that for them.

    I didn't use the word "all."
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