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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who is taking away any birth control over even advocating it? Are you still using religion to promote abortion? Can you please respond to the post rather than to the noises in your head?
    Congress under the demand of the right wingers have removed it from Medicaid. Hobby Lobby refuses as do other corporations, to offer it in their health insurance plan. And MANY insurance companies are jumping on the band wagon. Why do they allow Viagra do you suppose?
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Congress under the demand of the right wingers have removed it from Medicaid. Hobby Lobby refuses as do other corporations, to offer it in their health insurance plan. And MANY insurance companies are jumping on the band wagon. Why do they allow Viagra do you suppose?
    So because they are not giving away 'free' birth control they are disallowing access? Do you genuinely not understand the difference?

    Are you still using religion to advocate abortion? Do you still believe the Bible is God's word?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    So because they are not giving away 'free' birth control they are disallowing access? Do you genuinely not understand the difference?

    Are you still using religion to advocate abortion? Do you still believe the Bible is God's word?
    Yeah, basically. YOu think people who get Medicaid have money left over for birth control? How much do you make?

    That religion card is played on all the "morality" of abortions....that's how I play it. Who cares what I believe . It's right wing nuts who use the bible quotes to go after our civil rights, not the democrats.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

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    Yeah, basically
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    Do you understand what 'access' means?
    That religion card is played on all the "morality" of abortions....that's how I play it. Who cares what I believe . It's right wing nuts who use the bible quotes to go after our civil rights, not the democrats.
    I care because you are using the Bible to support your pro abortion stance. I'm just curious as to whether you are a hypocrite or not. Or are you a 'right wing nut'?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    These are moot points. The decision of WHEN to be pregnant, by WHOM, and HOW MANY TIMES remains with the woman...
    That decision is made at the time of procreation.

    who will be the one to support it
    Wow, you'd better tell a whole bunch of guys sending in their child support, that their payment isn't going to support their child.

    share it with a male
    If there is joint custody, then that choice to 'share' the child is beyond her control.

    and raise the quantity of children she wants.
    She can choose to have however many children she wishes, just make that choice before the orgasm.

    Nothing more, nothing less. Her right to the privacy of her life to make these decisions.
    The male in that equation is at least half of the said equation...Without him, no child exists, so he should have a say.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I am probably going to regret engaging your posting, but can you tell us just what you are talking about? Not every pregnancy is a risk to the mothers life...If you think it is, please feel free to provide us with that information....

    Here is what I have....


    About 8 percent of all pregnancies carry the risk of death due to preeclampsia,eclampsia, HELLP syndrome and other variants of the syndrome. Each one of the 8 percent who gets those syndromes may end up dying. We never know when a pregnancy might take a turn and become life threatening to someone we love.

    Another 1 to 2.5 percent of pregnancies are etopic pregnancies which are also life threatening.

    So about 1 out 10 pregnancies can be life threatening just from 2 of the many types of life threatening complications.... eclampsia variants and etopic pregnancies.



    Roughly 300 women in the USA do die every year from 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome. About 75,000 more USA women who had severe complications from these syndromes are counted as “near misses”—.


    My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
    C section.


    She went to the ER a few weeks before her due date because she was getting a horrible pain in her back just below her ribs which was caused because she was bleeding into the liver.
    Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because she had so much bleeding into the liver.


    Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.
    My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year developes 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 women who do die every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 women every year who are counted as near misses.

    Every year in the U.S., up to 8 percent, or 300,000, of pregnant or postpartum women develop preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome.

    Roughly 300 women die, and another 75,000 women experience “near misses”—severe complications and injury such as organ failure, massive blood loss, permanent disability, and premature birth or death of their babies.

    Usually, the disease resolves with the birth of the baby and placenta. But, it can occur postpartum—indeed, most maternal deaths occur after delivery.
    Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today - The Daily Beast

    Now many woman want to gestate and give birth and do not mind taking the risk.

    During my first pregnancy my kidneys were damaged and my life was at risk but I wanted to give birth so I continued my pregnancy knowing I might not live to see my little one or even know if I had a boy or girl.

    But after my personal experiences I could never support a law or a country that would force a woman to risk her life and continue a pregnancy she did not want.

    On the other side of the coin I would never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    I feel each pregnant woman should have a choice.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yes it is and that impacts nothing i said LMAO
    2.) please stop lying it only makes you look silly, can you point out where i denied the fact that a new set of DNA is created? thats right i never did LMAO

    if you disagree by all means prove your lie and quote me I cant wait LOL

    so now if you would actually like to get on topic and stop embarrassing yourself and understand what i factually and actually said id be glad too.

    Also while you are at it, feel free to qoute me calling anything a fact that isnt and any opinion of mine i pushed as fact. Id LOVE to read it.

    also i said its meaningless to the abortion debate because regardless of what anybody calls it or considers it the some foundation of the debate still exists.

    the entity, baby, kid, life, ZEF, zygote, fetus, child, jane, john etc is inside the woman, is not viable until 21 weeks at best and its presences alone is a risk of life.

    I eagerly await you post and let me know if you need educated on anything else i ACTUALLY said

    I didn't say you denied it, I just thought it ironic that you won't even consider the fact in the debate. The DNA identified at conception is the same DNA identified at viability so why do you progressively remove abortion rights as gestation progresses?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Stopandthink View Post
    1.)I didn't say you denied it,
    2.)I just thought it ironic that you won't even consider the fact in the debate.
    3.)The DNA identified at conception is the same DNA identified at viability so why do you progressively remove abortion rights as gestation progresses?
    good way to back off and try to start over LMAO

    1.)really, so which scientific fact were you implying i argued?
    2.) again, whats ironic about it unless i was denying it a fact, explain why its ironic? I dont take it into consideration for the reason already mentioned "entity, baby, kid, life, ZEF, zygote, fetus, child, jane, john etc is inside the woman, is not viable until 21 weeks at best and its presences alone is a risk of life." so its unique DNA is meaningless
    3.) you already answer your questions, The DNA is meaningless to the discussion and the other reason is VIABILITY

    theres factually no way to grant equal rights to both the ZEF and the WOMAN, everything single time somebody is giving up rights.

    So logically i can never come up with a reason to force a woman to give up here right, liberties and freedoms and also force her to risk her life against her will before the ZEF is even viable, that asinine.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    About 8 percent of all pregnancies carry the risk of death due to preeclampsia,eclampsia, HELLP syndrome and other variants of the syndrome. Each one of the 8 percent who gets those syndromes may end up dying. We never know when a pregnancy might take a turn and become life threatening to someone we love.

    Another 1 to 2.5 percent of pregnancies are etopic pregnancies which are also life threatening.

    So about 1 out 10 pregnancies can be life threatening just from 2 of the many types of life threatening complications.... eclampsia variants and etopic pregnancies.



    Roughly 300 women in the USA do die every year from 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome. About 75,000 more USA women who had severe complications from these syndromes are counted as “near misses”—.


    My daughter had HELLP syndrome with her pregnancy and she was very close to death when they performed the emergency
    C section.


    She went to the ER a few weeks before her due date because she was getting a horrible pain in her back just below her ribs which was caused because she was bleeding into the liver.
    Usually there is pain the upper right part of the abdomen but her pain was in the back because she had so much bleeding into the liver.


    Her OB/GYN was shocked when her test results came back showing she had HELLP syndrome. She had just seen him a couple days before and everything with the pregnancy appeared fine then.
    My daughter was one the up to 8 percent of women in the US who every year developes 'preeclampsia, eclampsia, or a related condition such as HELLP syndrome." Thankfully she was not one of the roughly 300 women who do die every year but she was one of the roughly 75,000 women every year who are counted as near misses.



    Beyond Downton Abbey: Preeclampsia Maternal Deaths Continue Today - The Daily Beast

    Now many woman want to gestate and give birth and do not mind taking the risk.

    During my first pregnancy my kidneys were damaged and my life was at risk but I wanted to give birth so I continued my pregnancy knowing I might not live to see my little one or even know if I had a boy or girl.

    But after my personal experiences I could never support a law or a country that would force a woman to risk her life and continue a pregnancy she did not want.

    On the other side of the coin I would never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    I feel each pregnant woman should have a choice.
    How is it "forcing a woman to give birth" if we are saying that the law should be left to the states?
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Where all 50 states stand on abortion, in two charts
    Posted by Sean Sullivan on March 7, 2013 at 2:21 pm

    Arkansas lawmakers overrode a gubernatorial veto on Wednesday to approve the nationís most restrictive abortion law, banning (with some exceptions) abortions after the twelfth week of pregnancy. Opponents have vowed to challenge the law, so its ultimate fate remains to be decided.

    So how does Arkansasís new law stack up against restrictions in the other 49 states? The following chart, from a report published earlier this month by the Guttmacher Institute, a reproductive health research organization that started as an arm of Planned Parenthood, provides some answers. (Click inside the chart for a larger version.) Forty states have prohibitions based on a specified stage of pregnancy, none of which are as restrictive as the law Arkansas just adopted:
    Where all 50 states stand on abortion, in two charts
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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