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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Who cares?

    It was Muddy Creek who brought religion into the debate with his quotations from the Bible.

    Is God on his side? He seems to think so.
    It is important to be aware that tens of millions of pro choice people are also Christians and / or Jewish people and that many Christians and/ or Jewish people and leaders were referring woman to safe ( for the woman) abortion services even before Roe vs Wade.

    Many in the RCRC do NOT believe that life/ensoulment begins with conception.
    We believe that life/ensoulment begins later in the pregnancy or at birth.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    It is important to be aware that tens of millions of pro choice people are also Christians and / or Jewish people and that many Christians and/ or Jewish people and leaders were referring woman to safe ( for the woman) abortion services even before Roe vs Wade.

    Many in the RCRC do NOT believe that life/ensoulment begins with conception.
    We believe that life/ensoulment begins later in the pregnancy or at birth.
    What you believe is of little interest. What we know is that life begins at 'conception', which is what the word actually means.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    1.)It's not baby speak either.Zef - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




    Then why are you using it?



    Then why be so reluctant to use the word 'baby'?
    1.) 100% right its not "baby", baby speak is "goo ga ga" speak but it is a factually used acronym by many people including doctors and medical professions LMAO
    ZEF - Zygote, Embryo, Fetus
    ZEF - Zygote Embryo Fetus
    Zygote Embryo Fetus - What does ZEF stand for? Acronyms and abbreviations by the Free Online Dictionary.

    so again you calling it nazi speak is your nothing more than biased dishonesty and empty rhetoric that nobody objective falls for LOL

    2.) LMAO common sense
    why do people say NASA? LAPD? SCOTUS, POTUS?


    what are most acronyms uses? convenience and efficiency instead of say zygote, embryo, fetus

    3.) two common sense reason

    3A.) see answer number 2
    3B.) using the word baby in certain discussions would make some of the topics become OPINION or factually wrong. It would not be proper usage per its definition LOL

    Baby is a subjective word and does not factually apply to all stages of the ZEF. Most definitions dont even allow its usage for anything preborn unless its SLANG and the others more specifically say fetus which excludes zygote and embryo

    and other questions you want answered that just factually prove you wrong again LMAO
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What you believe is of little interest. What we know is that life begins at 'conception', which is what the word actually means.
    You think life begins with conception but it is not fact.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What you believe is of little interest. What we know is that life begins at 'conception', which is what the word actually means.
    actually many scientist and biologist disagree and they say the life never stopped since the egg and sperm before the ZEF was also life, the feel its a continuance not a start, since there was no stop

    so no, we dont KNOW when it begins, thats just the OPINION you have

    its also meaningless to the abortion debate
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You think life begins with conception but it is not fact.
    Do you understand what the word "conception" means?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you understand what the word "conception" means?

    yes do you? LMAO because NOTHING in that definition factually supports you, the facts simply disagree with you but its always funny watching you dance around and trying to spin things and dodge questions with questions.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    You think life begins with conception but it is not fact.
    Define life.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    What you believe is of little interest. What we know is that life begins at 'conception', which is what the word actually means.
    No, that's not true. Cells begin at conception, but that is not life. That is cells dependent on the life the woman has.
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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    The cell is the basic structural and functional unit of all known living organisms. It is the smallest unit of life that is classified as a living thing...

    Cell (biology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    There is a tremendous consensus in the scientific community about when life begins. This is hardly controversial. If the claim were made that life was discovered on another planet, for example, there are well-defined criteria to which we could refer to conclusively determine whether the claim was accurate. How do scientists distinguish between life and non-life?

    A scientific textbook called "Basics of Biology" gives five characteristics of living things; these five criteria are found in all modern elementary scientific textbooks:

    1. Living things are highly organized.

    2. All living things have an ability to acquire materials and energy.

    3. All living things have an ability to respond to their environment.

    4. All living things have an ability to reproduce.

    5. All living things have an ability to adapt.

    According to this elementary definition of life, life begins at fertilization, when a sperm unites with an oocyte. From this moment, the being is highly organized, has the ability to acquire materials and energy, has the ability to respond to his or her environment, has the ability to adapt, and has the ability to reproduce (the cells divide, then divide again, etc., and barring pathology and pending reproductive maturity has the potential to reproduce other members of the species). Non-living things do not do these things. Even before the mother is aware that she is pregnant, a distinct, unique life has begun his or her existence inside her.

    Furthermore, that life is unquestionably human. A human being is a member of the species homo sapiens. Human beings are products of conception, which is when a human male sperm unites with a human female oocyte (egg). When humans procreate, they don't make non-humans like slugs, monkeys, cactuses, bacteria, or any such thing. Emperically-verifiable proof is as close as your nearest abortion clinic: send a sample of an aborted fetus to a laboratory and have them test the DNA to see if its human or not. Genetically, a new human being comes into existence from the earliest moment of conception.

    when does life begin?
    So, I would say that all the word smithing, and dancing around reference to what it is that is being aborted/killed within the womb is indeed to alleviate the conscience of the mother killing her unborn child for the sake of contraceptive purposes. We don't see people with a clear conscience try so hard to redefine truths.
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