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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, there's nothing immoral in an abortion. Even with the bible.

    God's Not Pro-Life



    God was for abortion and did not obviously consider it life. Christ never spoke out against it. If it were immoral, Christ would have labeled it so.
    You abortion sites have the scriptures handy, do they?

    Do you accept the idea that the Bible is the Word of God?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You abortion sites have the scriptures handy, do they?

    Do you accept the idea that the Bible is the Word of God?
    Those are biblical quotes from the Bible. Do YOU believe the Bible is the Word of God? Would you concede then that abortion is not immoral?
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    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    Those are biblical quotes from the Bible. Do YOU believe the Bible is the Word of God? Would you concede then that abortion is not immoral?
    It's not me who's quoting the Bible, it's you.

    Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's not me who's quoting the Bible, it's you.

    Do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?
    It's you saying calling a ZEF a ZEF is immoral.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    We do not generally refer to babies in these terms. We call them babies.

    But you don't feel comfortable calling them babies, or even alive, because that suggests something immoral is going on, the taking of a babies life.

    So you use the terms zygote, embryo and fetus in order to downplay the fact that you are taking a life.

    But call it what you will, it's still taking a life and it is terribly hard to justify such an act. It is hugely immoral, and some would say evil.


    So you tell me, is the bible the infallible "moral" word of God?
    Alex Carey:

    ... the 20th century has been characterized by three developments of great political importance: The growth of democracy, the growth of corporate power, and the growth of corporate propaganda as a means of protecting corporate power against democracy.

    Australian social scientist, quoted by Noam Chomsky in World Orders Old and New

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    There are tens of Millions of Christian and Jewish people whose faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and should remain legal.




    Pro-choice groups:

    Liberal and some mainline denominations: In general, these either promote a woman's right to choose an abortion, or are relatively silent on the matter. A number of liberal and mainline Christian and Jewish faith groups and organizations have publicly stated that abortions are sometimes an acceptable option, and should remain legal. According to lists prepared by The Secular Web and the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice, they include, in alphabetic order: 1

    American Baptist Churches-USA (see below),
    American Ethical Union,
    American Friends (Quaker) Service Committee,
    American Jewish Committee,
    American Jewish Congress,
    Central Conference of American Rabbis,
    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ),
    Council of Jewish Federations,
    Episcopal Church (USA),
    Federation of Reconstructionist Congregations and Havurot,
    Moravian Church in America-Northern Province,
    Na'Amat USA,
    National Council of Jewish Women,
    Presbyterian Church (USA),
    Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice,
    Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints,
    Union of American Hebrew Congregations,
    Unitarian Universalist Association,
    United Church of Christ,
    United Methodist Church,
    United Synagogue for Conservative Judaism.

    Religious groups other than denominations:

    Catholics for Free Choice,
    Episcopal Women's Caucus,
    Evangelicals for Choice,
    Jewish Women International,
    Lutheran Women's Caucus,
    North American Federation of Temple Youth,
    Unitarian Universalist Women's Federation,
    Women of Reform Judaism,
    Women's American ORT,
    Women's Caucus Church of the Brethren,
    Women's League for Conservative Judaism
    Current abortion beliefs of religious groups
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    So you tell me, is the bible the infallible "moral" word of God?
    It's not me who's quoting the Bible, it's you.

    Again, do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No, there's nothing
    immoral in an abortion. Even with the bible.

    God's Not Pro-Life



    God was for abortion and did not obviously consider it life. Christ never spoke out against it. If it were immoral, Christ would have labeled it so.
    Ahh, more selective old testamemt justification from the left.

    Abortion stops a human beating heart everytime, but of course the left likes to focus on nonsensical gun legislation to save the children.

    Old Biblical references aside, its still killing a human.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Ahh, more selective old testamemt justification from the left.

    Abortion stops a human beating heart everytime, but of course the left likes to focus on nonsensical gun legislation to save the children.

    Old Biblical references aside, its still killing a human.
    "The devil can cite scripture for his purpose". W.S.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    A little history of The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice which includes many religious groups including:

    Conservative Judaism
    Rabbinical Assembly
    United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
    Women’s League for Conservative Judaism

    Episcopal Church


    Ethical Culture
    American Ethical Union National Service Conference

    Humanist Judaism
    Society for Humanistic Judaism

    Presbyterian Church (USA)

    Reconstructionist Judaism
    Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
    Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association

    Reform Judaism
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    North American Federation of Temple Youth
    Union for Reform Judaism
    Women of Reform Judaism, The Federation of Temple Sisterhoods
    Women’s Rabbinic Network of Central Conference of American Rabbis

    United Church of Christ


    United Methodist Church
    General Board of Church and Society, United Methodist Church
    General Board of Global Ministries, Women’s Division, United Methodist Church

    Unitarian Universalist
    Unitarian Universalist Association
    Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation
    Young Religious Unitarian Universalists
    Continental Unitarian Universalist Young Adult Network

    Caucuses/Organizations
    American Jewish Committee
    American Jewish Congress
    Anti-Defamation League
    Catholics for Choice
    Christian Lesbians Out (CLOUT)
    Church of the Brethren Womaen’s Caucus
    Disciples for Choice
    Episcopal Urban Caucus
    Episcopal Women’s Caucus
    Hadassah, WZOA
    Jewish Women International
    Lutheran Women’s Caucus
    Methodist Federation for Social Action
    NA’AMAT USA
    National Council of Jewish Women
    Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO)
    Women’s American ORT
    YWCA of the USA


    RCRC was founded in 1973 to safeguard the newly won constitutional right to privacy in decisions about abortion.

    The Coalition founders were clergy and lay leaders from mainstream religions, many of whom had provided women with referrals to safe abortion services before the Supreme Court legalized abortion in Roe v. Wade.
    The founders believed that there would be at most a ten-year struggle to secure the right to choose. In fact the struggle is far from over. It has changed and intensified, and the stakes are growing.

    Today, the Religious Coalition comprises national organizations from major faiths and traditions and religiously affiliated and independent religious organizations, affiliates throughout the country, the national Clergy for Choice network, Spiritual Youth for Reproductive Freedom, The National Black Church Initiative, La Iniciativa Latina and individuals who support reproductive choice and religious freedom. We have a strong presence on Capitol Hill, working for policies to ensure reproductive healthservices are available to all, regardless of income and to strengthen reproductive justice.

    While our member organizations are religiously and theologically diverse, they are unified in the commitment to preserve reproductive choice as a basic part of religious liberty.

    Our rational, healing perspective looks beyond the bitter abortion debate to seek solutions to pressing problems such as unintended pregnancy, the spread of HIV/AIDS, inadequate health care and health insurance, and the severe reduction in reproductive health care services.


    We support access to sex education, family planning and contraception, affordable child care and health care, and adoption services as well as safe, legal, abortion services, regardless of income. As an organization committed to reproductive justice, we work for public policies that ensure the medical, economic, and educational resources necessary for healthy families and communities that are equipped to nurture children in peace and love.
    RCRC - Dedicated to Reproductive Justice
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    Re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    A little history of The Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice which includes many religious groups including:

    Conservative Judaism
    Rabbinical Assembly
    United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism
    Women’s League for Conservative Judaism

    Episcopal Church


    Ethical Culture
    American Ethical Union National Service Conference

    Humanist Judaism
    Society for Humanistic Judaism

    Presbyterian Church (USA)

    Reconstructionist Judaism
    Jewish Reconstructionist Federation
    Reconstructionist Rabbinical Association

    Reform Judaism
    Central Conference of American Rabbis
    North American Federation of Temple Youth
    Union for Reform Judaism
    Women of Reform Judaism, The Federation of Temple Sisterhoods
    Women’s Rabbinic Network of Central Conference of American Rabbis

    United Church of Christ


    United Methodist Church
    General Board of Church and Society, United Methodist Church
    General Board of Global Ministries, Women’s Division, United Methodist Church

    Unitarian Universalist
    Unitarian Universalist Association
    Unitarian Universalist Women’s Federation
    Young Religious Unitarian Universalists
    Continental Unitarian Universalist Young Adult Network

    Caucuses/Organizations
    American Jewish Committee
    American Jewish Congress
    Anti-Defamation League
    Catholics for Choice
    Christian Lesbians Out (CLOUT)
    Church of the Brethren Womaen’s Caucus
    Disciples for Choice
    Episcopal Urban Caucus
    Episcopal Women’s Caucus
    Hadassah, WZOA
    Jewish Women International
    Lutheran Women’s Caucus
    Methodist Federation for Social Action
    NA’AMAT USA
    National Council of Jewish Women
    Presbyterians Affirming Reproductive Options (PARO)
    Women’s American ORT
    YWCA of the USA



    RCRC - Dedicated to Reproductive Justice
    Who cares?

    It was Muddy Creek who brought religion into the debate with his quotations from the Bible.

    Is God on his side? He seems to think so.

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