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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    This simply means lots of women travelling to the next state for an abortion or worse still - back room abortions if they are not allowed to travel.
    Just as a point...aren't all medical procedures performed in a "back room"? I mean, have you ever seen any non-emergency procedure carried out in the lobby?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Feigning ignorance is Trollish behavior.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by AmericanWoman76 View Post
    Feigning ignorance is Trollish behavior.
    Mam you will find no shortage of trollish behavior on this forum.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    I should fit right in here then!

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    And I feel it is pro lifers and the religious right that has demonized abortion and elevated single women who give birth and thus made single moms into heros.
    There was an article last year posted on the Slate website titled Did the pro life movement lead to more single moms?
    One of the things that was pointed out was that red states had a higher rate of single moms.
    It also pointed out that when many pro lifers learned that Sarah Palins daughter was single and expecting that pro lifers pointed to her as a good example for the pro life movement since she chose to give birth. The pro life movement was ok with the fact that
    Bristol was not going to marry the father of child and even praised her for not getting married to him.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com


    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
    My preferred cutoff is 20 weeks, but 12 is the very lower range of acceptable for me. It gives the majority of women the time to find out they're pregnant, decide what to do, and get the abortion if they want one. And they leave in all the same exceptions that I would after 12 weeks. So I don't have any real problem with it.

    It should be interesting to see what will happen when it's challenged in court, since it does technically restrict abortion in the 1st trimester which goes against Roe vs. Wade.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Seeing as sex education doesn't work, as it was once supposed it would, what do you suggest be done to prevent women from becoming pregnant?

    There is education, all sorts of contraception devices, the social legacy that the majority of single mothers leave behind, the expense to the State for supporting these people, and the known struggle single mothers...
    The best answer for lowering unwanted pregnancies at the present time is making long term birth control more affordable to all women and men especially the poor.
    There was a study done last year in St. Louis where over 9,000 high risk women ( many of them Poor ) were offered Free birth control ( the study was privately funded) of their choice. Long term " goof proof" BC such as the The IUD or implant usually has an up front of $800 to $900 but when given the choice many of the women choose the long the term ones. The birth rates of these teens were cut drastically . It was IIRC less than 10 ( i think it was about 6 point something) compared to a national average of 32.
    Abortions were cut down to about one forth of what the national average was.

    There is also a long term BC for men which is currently available in Europe and shows a lot of promise.
    It is an injection IIRC that causes the sperm to be caught in a gel like substance and renders the male infertile for up to about 10 years. when the male decides he would to have a child he gets a reversal shot and within 3 months he has reached his festival capabilities again. These studies have been conducted over 20 years and were found safe in both animals and humans with no side effects.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have asked this question over and over, .....but i get no real answer from the left.

    if a woman has a right to her body, to do as she please, becuase it is her body.

    then does not a person have the right to do with their personal property, as they chose, since it is also their property?
    Perhaps you did't get an answer because you are asking the wrong question. It really iis not so much about doing with her body as she pleases as it is really about the right to privacy in regards to reproductivity.
    The right to privacy became a precedent when a case was brought before the Supreme Court in the mid 1960's that required That couples got counseling before they could use BC. The Supreme Court ruled those couples had a " right to privacy " and they could decide how many children they wanted, how many years they chose to space their children apart etc.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    There was an article last year posted on the Slate website titled Did the pro life movement lead to more single moms?
    One of the things that was pointed out was that red states had a higher rate of single moms.
    It also pointed out that when many pro lifers learned that Sarah Palins daughter was single and expecting that pro lifers pointed to her as a good example for the pro life movement since she chose to give birth. The pro life movement was ok with the fact that
    Bristol was not going to marry the father of child and even praised her for not getting married to him.

    Every child deserves to be wanted and loved.

    There have been over 150 million live births in the USA since Roe vs. Wade.
    So the other side of this coin would be that there are more innocent unborn children killed in the blue states. I'll have to side with those who would preserve and protect the innocent unborn. There is no shame in not killing your unborn child.

    Your signature seems pretty sick to me. Would this be the correct interpretation?:
    "Every Child deserves to be wanted and loved, or get rid of it." There was a time in this country when killing unborn children was frowned on. The culture crisis is alarming. Red freakin' alert people.
    Last edited by Cable; 03-08-13 at 08:16 AM.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cable View Post
    So the other side of this coin would be that there are more innocent unborn children killed in the blue states. I'll have to side with those who would preserve and protect the innocent unborn. There is no shame in not killing your unborn child.

    Your signature seems pretty sick to me.....
    A fetus is not a child.

    As I mentioned before I am a mother to 4 grown children.
    I had 6 pregnancies, 4 children and two miscarriages.
    My 2 miscarriages were between my second and third children.
    One was an early miscarriage at about 5 to 6 weeks gestation.
    I was about 20 weeks gestation when I had my second miscarriage.
    I went to the ER when I had early labor pains hoping they could stop the labor and that the pregnancy would continue and I would give birth to a healthy baby. The nurse took a pregnancy test and told me that I was no longer pregnant.
    My OB was out of town and the OB who was covering for him did not want to in that day so they shot me full of meds hoping to stop the labor. They took to a room with other women who had given birth to healthy babies. When I was transferring from the gurney to my bed the fetus was expelled and I accidentally saw how deformed it was. My doctor told me that the fetus would never have been viable even if I had carried it longer.
    That fetus was never a child or a person.
    It never would have been a child.
    It was a miscarriage in making from the day I conceived.

    I love children and I wish that every child had a loving home.
    I am concerned about the children who are caught in child protective services and long for a loving home.
    That is what my signature means....i wish all those Children would be adopted into loving homes...
    Every child deserves to be wanted and loved.
    Last edited by minnie616; 03-08-13 at 08:51 AM. Reason: Typo
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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