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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    First of all I was trying to say that as methods of birth control improve the numbers of unwanted pregnancies and abortions will go down.

    I think you misunderstood what I said and what the study and article were saying. Condoms and birth control pills still have a failure rate about 1 to 5 percent even when used correctly. The BC pills usually cost between 10 to 50 dollars a month.


    Long term BC has a failure rate of about .03 percent so there would be many less unwanted pregnancies for women who use long term BC vs Women who count on condoms or pills as a method of BC.
    Long term BC costs about 800 dollars up front ( not $800 a month) but lasts about 5 to 10 years so the cost over the long termwould be about the same if not less.

    Also I did NOT say anything about free BC ( or the you/ taxes paying for it) I said if insurance companies offered long term BC along with the BC pill with no co pay I thought many more women would opt for the more reliable long term birth control and that the result would be fewer unwanted pregnancies and fewer abortions.

    Also I personally do do not need any BC anymore since my 4 children are now grown and I am long past my child bearing years.
    Ok, thanks for the reasoned, and rational response...I was clearly not reading it right. And even if those long term abortions go down, and the cost is spread between all the insured, it is clearly not what Obama's administration is after here. But that is for a different thread.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    Those theories from the 1980's of early fetal pain have been proven wrong by many experts.

    Even states that fought for a fetal pain bill were only able fight for a 20 week gestation mark :


    https://www.texastribune.org/2013/03...tal-pain-bill/

    This UK study is in disagreeement that fetal pain starts before 24 weeks gestation;




    Read more: New study: Fetus not yet conscious at 24 weeks

    From: The Consciousness Meter: Sure You Want That?:



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    It is unlikely that waterboarded subjects have any long term effects from their sessions at Gitmo too, does that mean that it is ok?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    LMAO that has to be the worse sight ever, i clicked on home because i like reading as much info as possible an learning and i stopped after so called facts 1.

    those facts are OPINIONS and instantly devalue anything else they could possible say. Oh by the way, i got a date with a Swedish model tonight, she is on the Swedish bikini team, i never met her but it said so on the internet.

    so please tell us about facts again

    Fact #1: Every abortion kills an innocent human being.

    this is 100% false and a blatant lie, credibility SHOT right from the start LMAO

    That's your opinion...
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Muddy Creek View Post
    No. They can't.

    3. "This is what an abortion looks like."

    Almost always false. Many abortion protest photographs are artist's renderings or the result of image manipulation, and the bulk of the rest are of very late-term fetuses aborted for emergency medical reasons. The most well-known graphic abortion poster is of a 30-week-old fetus, aborted six full weeks into the third trimester. The vast majority of abortions are performed during the first trimester, and Roe v. Wade only protects first and second trimester abortions.
    4. "Even first-trimester fetuses can feel pain."

    False. Fetal nerve cells can react to trauma, but pain reception requires a neocortex--which is not formed until early in the third trimester.

    Top 10 Anti-Abortion Myths - Top 10 Myths About Abortion
    Do you have any evidence that the ultrasound in the video was manipulated, or doctored in any way?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That's your opinion...
    no its not an opinion

    anybody honest an educated understand the fact that the LIFE of the ZEF is meaningless to the abort procedure

    FACTS
    abortions are preformed on fetuses already dead
    surgical/medicine abortions are preformed after spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) to help ensure the womans health
    abortions are preformed and the ZEF has lived, there are even controversies over making laws that protect the living ZEF in the case and when the laws do not
    whther the ZEF is alive or dead or whether it lives or dies before, during or after has no impact on the success of the abortion

    so "fact 1" is 100% false
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, thanks for the reasoned, and rational response...I was clearly not reading it right. And even if those long term abortions go down, and the cost is spread between all the insured, it is clearly not what Obama's administration is after here. But that is for a different thread.
    I am hoping the numbers of unwanted pregnancies and abortions go down significantly.

    I am happy that BC methods are improving and as prices come down and effectiveness goes up I can picture
    Abortions truly becoming rarer and rarer.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I am hoping the numbers of unwanted pregnancies and abortions go down significantly.

    I am happy that BC methods are improving and as prices come down and effectiveness goes up I can picture
    Abortions truly becoming rarer and rarer.
    which is amazingly impressive considering how rare they are

    less than .01% of sex leads to abortions but people like to dishonestly act like they are so common and that a very large amount of people are so careless
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    which is amazingly impressive considering how rare they are

    less than .01% of sex leads to abortions but people like to dishonestly act like they are so common and that a very large amount of people are so careless
    I agree, it seems most unwanted pregnancies now days happen because of BC failure instead of carelessness.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I agree, it seems most unwanted pregnancies happen because of BC failure instead of carelessness.
    not sure about that but the percentages seem to line up better.

    I think its a logic assumption to assume that if carelessness was a larger factor there would be more abortions.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    This is a thread about a law passed in the state of Arkansas. Your interests are irrelevant.
    Funnily enough, whether the law is passed in Arkansas or Colombia or China, certain biological facts remain unchanged which is why arguing about the US constitution is pretty pointless. Much like your post.

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