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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    why up to the doctor? when did the doctor get the legal right to force a person to risk their life against their will?
    no thanks i want rights to remains where they should
    Because a doctor would know better than you whether a woman's life is at risk or not.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I didn't say you did. I pointed out a fact.
    oh so you were making a meaningless post that nobody was talking about and qouted me by accident then? got it, im fine with that, your mistake
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Because a doctor would know better than you whether a woman's life is at risk or not.
    its ALWASY at riske, ALWAYS

    this is a simple fact

    how much risk can be debated but its always at risk simply because the ZEF is present.

    so now please answer my question.

    when did the doctor get the legal right to force a person to risk their life against their will?
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    what are you talking about?
    "i" havent decided anything, i stated a fact
    Do you not understand that doctors can assess risk? That is a discussion that would take place between the doctor and the patient.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    oh so you were making a meaningless post that nobody was talking about and qouted me by accident then? got it, im fine with that, your mistake
    No, I was pointing to a fact for your education....You're welcome.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Do you not understand that doctors can assess risk? That is a discussion that would take place between the doctor and the patient.
    I AGREE

    yes they can access how much risk
    but the fact still remains the risk is there no matter what so the the decision comes down to the doctor saying what they think and the patient making the choice

    do you not understand the risk wont magically go away?

    so i stated a fact, "I" didnt decide anything like you falsely implied.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I was pointing to a fact for your education....You're welcome.
    nope, already knew it but since it was meaningless to the topic at hand nobody was discussing it because that would be illogical, again your mistake
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    nope, already knew it but since it was meaningless to the topic at hand nobody was discussing it because that would be illogical, again your mistake
    Ok, so when you said:

    no thanks i want rights to remains where they should
    Then you were purposely being misleading in your statement so you could play this game.

    And you really don't think that women have a right to an abortion...Got it.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, so when you said:



    Then you were purposely being misleading in your statement so you could play this game.

    And you really don't think that women have a right to an abortion...Got it.
    LMAO100% WRONG

    pleae qoure my WHOLE post LMO

    here is my WHOLE post
    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    why up to the doctor? when did the doctor get the legal [B]right to force a person to risk their life against their will?[/B]
    no thanks i want rights to remains where they should
    sorry you fail again, the right i was referring too was in the FIRST sentences of my post

    next tome dont make stuff up in your head and make illogical assumptions that arent supported by anything so you wont look so silly

    like i said, YOUR mistake
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    From where does the "right" originate?
    If this is aimed at starting a discussion on whether the right exists in the American constitution - I'm going to point out that abortion is not just an American issue and the treatment or view of what a person can do with their own body in western culture is fairly common. I bow out if you want to argue about the US constitution and abortion, I'm not American and I'm not interested.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    -- I purpose that this so called "right" of the woman to have the complete say of whether or not to allow the unborn child to live is not a right at all, and actually takes away the rights of not only the man involved in creating the pregnancy, but the rights of the unborn child as well.
    Society places some limits on rights - after 24 weeks and viability has been established, a woman's rights are limited by the child's growing rights but these are minimal before 24 weeks. Regarding your comment about men's rights - your rights to a woman's body or to do what you will with a woman's body should never be enforcible in law. Personally, I believe a father who does not wish to become a father should have the right to withdraw from his responsibility until a reasonable period has passed. This is the subject of another thread though - currently a father has no right to absolve himself of childcare but that again is simply the state making sure someone pays the bill for childcare later in life. Fathers are the easiest targets where childcare costs are concerned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's fine if it's used in the medical profession, of course, but now it is being used by the non-medical profession, such as politicians and the courts. Deciding someone's life or death because of their 'viability' was probably never intended by the originators of the term.
    What happens in hospitals is still affected and defined by courts and politicians who represent the views of the public. This is not an argument about good or bad politicians but the role politicians should play - advocates of the public.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And why not? Unless there are lies being told then all information should be made available.
    I'm not sure what you're arguing, I thought I was agreeing with you about information being available for pregnant mothers?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Morality has to play a part in these decisions. How can it not?? Also it will probably encourage more young women to take extra precautions and make the right decisions in her life.
    Conception is not always planned or convenient, sex is not always done at the right time with all the right information, equipment, state of mind. What I find interesting is that countries with the widest availability of abortion and sexual reproductivity information tend to have lower abortion rates than those with greater limits on abortion and less planned information about sexual reproduction. The evidence is against the anti-abortion crowd. Abortion rates in Holland, Sweden, Finland and other such countries is much lower than many other western countries such as the UK and US.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    -- There are plenty of good people ready to help with the care, feeding and attention of children. We need to have more trust in our fellow citizens rather than assuming the worst and heading directly to the abortion clinic.
    US children's foster and care centre statistics don't support this.

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