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Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

Yes, that is true for the moment but medical knowledge continues to expand and there is no apparent reason why babies might be viable in less that 24, 20 or 16 weeks. Laws in these areas cannot be written in stone.

Actually, there are apparent reasons why a fetus might not be able to survive outside the womb before 24 weeks.
 
Those are not exceptions to murder. They describe circumstances under which the killing of a human is not murder

I recommend purchasing a dictionary.

exception |ikˈsepSHən| noun
a person or thing that is excluded from a general statement or does not follow a rule:
 
I recommend purchasing a dictionary.

exception |ikˈsepSHən| noun
a person or thing that is excluded from a general statement or does not follow a rule:

Murder laws are not "general statements" and things like self-defense are defined by the rules, so therefore they do not "not follow a rule"
 
Murder laws are not "general statements" and things like self-defense are defined by the rules, so therefore they do not "not follow a rule"

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Yes, that is true for the moment but medical knowledge continues to expand and there is no apparent reason why babies might be viable in less that 24, 20 or 16 weeks. Laws in these areas cannot be written in stone.


And they aren't...If a women's right to consent to abort her unborn child were absolute in the law, it would easily be an amendment. Progressives typically can not move their agenda's like abortion through the amendment process because the votes are NOT there for it to become a right. So, they use the court, and call it a right when it isn't.
 
Actually, there are apparent reasons why a fetus might not be able to survive outside the womb before 24 weeks.

What don't you understand about murder?

It's so apparent this world (at least the US) is trying to rid itself of morals and ethics.

Are humans really becoming this shallow? where murder is really nothing more than a matter of perspective?

Debating what's a viable time to kill another individual is pretty ****ing morbid if you ask me.

No one here is God, and if one believes they have a soul it is better you not make decisions on if a viable life is viable.

This is why I hate progressives - they believe they are God.
 
What don't you understand about murder?

It's so apparent this world (at least the US) is trying to rid itself of morals and ethics.

Are humans really becoming this shallow? where murder is really nothing more than a matter of perspective?

Debating what's a viable time to kill another individual is pretty ****ing morbid if you ask me.

No one here is God, and if one believes they have a soul it is better you not make decisions on if a viable life is viable.

This is why I hate progressives - they believe they are God.

WHat you seem to not understand is the law

It's not there to enforce your hysterical and fascistic code of immorality
 
WHat you seem to not understand is the law

It's not there to enforce your hysterical and fascistic code of immorality

So, not wanting to just kill the most defenseless life anyone can think of is hysterical, and fascistic eh? Man Progressives are twisted.
 
WHat you seem to not understand is the law

It's not there to enforce your hysterical and fascistic code of immorality

When the 'semantics' arguments fail, try 'fascistic'.

I doubt though that the Fascists, Nazis or Communists were against abortions. In fact they were probably enthusiastic supporters.
 
When the 'semantics' arguments fail, try 'fascistic'.

I doubt though that the Fascists, Nazis or Communists were against abortions. In fact they were probably enthusiastic supporters.

The Fascists, like the poster I responded to, believed that the govt should enforce the morality of a select group of people
 
It's not there to enforce your hysterical and fascistic code of immorality

Personally, I think it's more "hysterical and fascistic" to allow for the killing of unborn humans and imposing a morally ethical view that the unborn aren't "people" and thus have no rights and can be killed under the law. But then again I'd rather not be up front and directly insulting towards the opposing view, it's quite ignorant and devoid of any reason. I could rant on about the idea of allowing legal abortion for the purposes of terminating pregnancy and using all kinds of buzz words and judgments against people of that viewpoint, but it would only make me look like I can't rationally, reasonably and respectfully debate and discuss the issue and must stand on some kind of self-righteous soap box to attack my opponents and toss off their arguments. Plus, it would also be dishonest and unfairly attributing something or some quality to pro-choice individuals that is done out of my own bias and discrimination against the people of that viewpoint.
 
WHat you seem to not understand is the law

It's not there to enforce your hysterical and fascistic code of immorality

Really?

So you debate weather murder is acceptable or not?

Of course your bleeding heart will sit there and say you care but clearly you don't. Of course if you really did we wouldn't be having this debate and you would side with me that murder is wrong.

Furthermore I could care less what the "law" says.... Murder legislation is not exactly "legal" considering it violates the law you seem to love so much. I mean Abortion only violates the Fourteenth Amendment - the same Goddamn Amendment you progressives use to justify just about all your arguments.... Yet you are all for slaughtering babies.
 
Personally, I think it's more "hysterical and fascistic" to allow for the killing of unborn humans and imposing a morally ethical view that the unborn aren't "people" and thus have no rights and can be killed under the law. But then again I'd rather not be up front and directly insulting towards the opposing view, it's quite ignorant and devoid of any reason. I could rant on about the idea of allowing legal abortion for the purposes of terminating pregnancy and using all kinds of buzz words and judgments against people of that viewpoint, but it would only make me look like I can't rationally, reasonably and respectfully debate and discuss the issue and must stand on some kind of self-righteous soap box to attack my opponents and toss off their arguments. Plus, it would also be dishonest and unfairly attributing something or some quality to pro-choice individuals that is done out of my own bias and discrimination against the people of that viewpoint.

Your personal opinions do not matter

WHat matters is what the constitution says and it does not say that the govt has any power to ban abortions.
 
Really?

So you debate weather murder is acceptable or not?

Of course your bleeding heart will sit there and say you care but clearly you don't. Of course if you really did we wouldn't be having this debate and you would side with me that murder is wrong.

Furthermore I could care less what the "law" says.... Murder legislation is not exactly "legal" considering it violates the law you seem to love so much. I mean Abortion only violates the Fourteenth Amendment - the same Goddamn Amendment you progressives use to justify just about all your arguments.... Yet you are all for slaughtering babies.

Abortion is not murder

That's just a lie the moral fascists repeat because they can't argue the facts
 
Your personal opinions do not matter

WHat matters is what the constitution says and it does not say that the govt has any power to ban abortions.

Seem's our government as of late is totally enamored with doing things that aren't explicitly covered in what the constitution says they can do...But those are ok with you right?
 
Your personal opinions do not matter

WHat matters is what the constitution says and it does not say that the govt has any power to ban abortions.

Is abortion a human right or a medical procedure? States do have the right to regulate abortion.
 
Seem's our government as of late is totally enamored with doing things that aren't explicitly covered in what the constitution says they can do...But those are ok with you right?

It seems you are asking leading questions instead of posting sensible arguments
 
SO you do eat meat, which comes from the killing of defenseless life.

You equating an unborn child with a cow? Or a chicken? Really? That's weak man....Now I know you are not serious in this debate, and have already lost it....Bye, bye now. :2wave:
 
You equating an unborn child with a cow? Or a chicken? Really? That's weak man....Now I know you are not serious in this debate, and have already lost it....Bye, bye now. :2wave:

In terms of defenslessness, there is no difference.

but I accept your surrender :2wave:
 
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