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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I can only repeat your own words back to you.



    What does "left" or "right" have to do with abortion?

    In the UK, abortion is not a matter of left wing or right wing politics, I guess things may be different in the USA?
    Who the **** you think you are? if you cant come up with an answer then don't even try to talk to me.

    I only wish this was a town hall debate....

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Who the **** you think you are? if you cant come up with an answer then don't even try to talk to me.

    I only wish this was a town hall debate....
    Sorry but you asked me some illogical questions which have no logical bearing on the subject. You didn't address the points I made about the children that would be in care if abortion were banned but instead asked a question I quickly pointed out as illogical.

    If you wish to argue using emotion, this is not the thread for you.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation - chicagotribune.com


    I don't know the exact wording, but wasn't Roe v. Wade vague in the age of the fetus? I think this is borderline in compliance with the SCOTUS ruling and will probably end up going to the SCOTUS.
    What do you need a post 12-week abortion for, anyway?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I can only repeat your own words back to you.



    What does "left" or "right" have to do with abortion?

    In the UK, abortion is not a matter of left wing or right wing politics, I guess things may be different in the USA?
    becuase in america it is the left that proclaim that a woman has a right to her body, its their arugment for abortion.

    if what they state is TRUE, then also my personal property is mind to do as i please, ...is that not correct.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Sorry but you asked me some illogical questions which have no logical bearing on the subject. You didn't address the points I made about the children that would be in care if abortion were banned but instead asked a question I quickly pointed out as illogical.

    If you wish to argue using emotion, this is not the thread for you.
    You didn't ask any question. As far as your so called "children in need" that is nothing but a hypothetical conclusion. In short you assume.

    You ever think for a second that there are many people in this world that cant have kids but would love one but cant get one if their life depended on it?

    You think states like to give kids away?

    All I have to say here is follow the money.

    You actually think the states don't care about funding? all the while holding orphan kids basically hostage?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    becuase in america it is the left that proclaim that a woman has a right to her body, its their arugment for abortion.

    if what they state is TRUE, then also my personal property is mind to do as i please, ...is that not correct.
    Thank you.

    The argument about rights is valid but there are qualifiers, you have rights up to certain points with personal property and your own body. You can't for example walk down many streets naked just as you can't go and kill others with your personal gun just because it is yours. Those limitations are cultural as well as negotiated against the rights of others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    What do you need a post 12-week abortion for, anyway?
    Number 1 - it's usually the 20 week foetus check that shows up serious deformity and life threatening conditions.

    Number 2 - survival rates for early birth show that only after 34 and 25 weeks does a baby have better chances of surviving outside the womb. 12 to 23 week old foetuses still have very low survival rates.

    Number 3 - it's the woman's choice and right.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    You didn't ask any question. As far as your so called "children in need" that is nothing but a hypothetical conclusion. In short you assume.

    You ever think for a second that there are many people in this world that cant have kids but would love one but cant get one if their life depended on it?

    You think states like to give kids away?

    All I have to say here is follow the money.

    You actually think the states don't care about funding? all the while holding orphan kids basically hostage?
    I did in previous posts.

    Of course there are people who would love to adopt but they are not as many as there are children waiting to be adopted. Most kids in care are not soft gooey babies but angry 8 and above year olds on the other side of the system.

    Follow the money is correct, people will argue about the pro-choice argument until they have to pay for other people's bad choices.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Thank you.

    The argument about rights is valid but there are qualifiers, you have rights up to certain points with personal property and your own body. You can't for example walk down many streets naked just as you can't go and kill others with your personal gun just because it is yours. Those limitations are cultural as well as negotiated against the rights of others.
    sorry i should have added something to my statement, is not my personal property mind to do as i please ,---->as long as i do not infringe on the rights of other people.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I did in previous posts.

    Of course there are people who would love to adopt but they are not as many as there are children waiting to be adopted. Most kids in care are not soft gooey babies but angry 8 and above year olds on the other side of the system.

    Follow the money is correct, people will argue about the pro-choice argument until they have to pay for other people's bad choices.
    And they're angry 8-year-olds because the system is ****ed..

    The simple fact there are a bunch of pissed 8-year-olds only proves my point that it is impossible to adopt a child.

    If it was easy to adopt a child they would have a family instead of being used as a pawn by the state.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Number 1 - it's usually the 20 week foetus check that shows up serious deformity and life threatening conditions.

    Number 2 - survival rates for early birth show that only after 34 and 25 weeks does a baby have better chances of surviving outside the womb. 12 to 23 week old foetuses still have very low survival rates.

    Number 3 - it's the woman's choice and right.
    Wrong answer.

    As soon as you answer that question, you loose, because the question is a trap. As soon as you answer it, you confirm that a need is in fact required, and then you try to demonstrate that need.

    The correct response to "why do you need that" is "do I have to need something to have it?". Abortion's just an elective, right? Do you have to demonstrate a 'need' for any other therapeutic procedure in order to have it? Breast augmentation? Liposuction? Scar removal? Face lift? As long as no one's being harmed, and pro-choice argues that no one is...shouldn't you be able to have pretty much whatever you have the money for? I had my wisdom teeth removed..I didn't need them removed, I just wanted them out because I thought it would make the rest of my teeth straighten out a bit...and they did. Purely cosmetic elective therapeutic procedure. You're saying I should have to have a need to remove my wisdom teeth.

    If it's just a clump of cells, and it's just a therapeutic procedure, then there's no moral quandary to be had. That you try to fulfill a 'need' means there is more than a clump of cells and an elective procedure in play. You betray yourself.
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