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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    ?...And with the number of unwed mother's around that's seems to be the social situation we see now.
    And I feel it is pro lifers and the religious right that has demonized abortion and elevated single women who give birth and thus made single moms into heros.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    And I feel it is pro lifers and the religious right that has demonized abortion and elevated single women who give birth and thus made single moms into heros.
    Abortion should not be 'demonized' but it should certainly be frowned upon. Who can look at single mothers as 'heroes' until they see the quality of their maternal care?

    It seems to me you are attempting to 'demonize' those who are pro life. Do you see a negative in supporting life?

    There have been over 50 million abortions since R vs W. That has huge implications for the future of the United States.
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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Abortion should not be 'demonized' but it should certainly be frowned upon. Who can look at single mothers as 'heroes' until they see the quality of their maternal care?

    It seems to me you are attempting to 'demonize' those who are pro life. Do you see a negative in supporting life?

    There have been over 50 million abortions since R vs W. That has huge implications for the future of the United States.

    I see a negative is wanting a law which would force a woman to continue a pregnancy.
    No one and no country should force a woman to continue a pregnancy.
    A woman should be able to choose if she wants to continue her pregnancy or if she wants to choose an early abortion.

    I will not support a law that would force a woman to risk her health and possibly her life to continue a pregnancy.
    I will also never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    The decision is the woman's. She has a right to privacy and body soverinty.

    There have been over 150 million live births since Roe vs Wade .
    That has huge implications for the future of the United States.
    When it comes to matters of reproduce health, Politicians and the religious dogma of another faith should never interfere with religious liberty of an individual or her faith.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by minnie616 View Post
    I see a negative is wanting a law which would force a woman to continue a pregnancy.
    No one and no country should force a woman to continue a pregnancy.
    A woman should be able to choose if she wants to continue her pregnancy or if she wants to choose an early abortion.

    I will not support a law that would force a woman to risk her health and possibly her life to continue a pregnancy.
    I will also never support a law or a country that would force a woman to have an abortion.

    The decision is the woman's. She has a right to privacy and body soverinty.

    There have been over 150 million live births since Roe vs Wade .
    That has huge implications for the future of the United States.
    Seeing as sex education doesn't work, as it was once supposed it would, what do you suggest be done to prevent women from becoming pregnant?

    There is education, all sorts of contraception devices, the social legacy that the majority of single mothers leave behind, the expense to the State for supporting these people, and the known struggle single mothers have as far as any career options go. Are we witnessing the Bimbofication of America?

    What are the 'huge implications' of 150 million babies being born? Have you a reason for saying this or is it just a rejoinder that has no real meaning at all?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    This simply means lots of women travelling to the next state for an abortion or worse still - back room abortions if they are not allowed to travel.
    Good, let an individual kill themselves while killing an individual. It may sound harsh but I call that poetic justice.

    Imagine if you were aborted - I wouldn't be typing this now would I?

    Think about it.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Unless she wants to rent it out for an hour or two. That old cliche has never made any real sense because there are so many laws to the contrary.
    If a woman rents her body out it is still her choice to make, she has rights over her own body so I don't see how your point addresses what I said?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    - And how many children would have happy lives with loving families who are prepared to adopt them?
    The fallacy many pro-life people make is that all these children would have happy caring homes to go to. In the last set of US statistics, 400,000 children were in care. Not adopted and not living idyllic rosy happy lives.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
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    There are many children who have grown up with women on their own who are quite happy to be alive. Abortion is a selfish act and there is no getting around that. It should be legal, but it has to be understood also that it is immoral.
    Please explain?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    -- There have been over 50 million abortions since R vs W. That has huge implications for the future of the United States.
    Yeah, add another 50 million humans to the equation, if a large proportion of those unwanted kids had gone on to be born - what percentage would be adopted / in foster care / in children's homes?

    Would pro-lifers be happy to foot the bill for all those extra millions?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Good, let an individual kill themselves while killing an individual. It may sound harsh but I call that poetic justice.
    Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Especially if you are supposedly "pro-life..."

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    Imagine if you were aborted - I wouldn't be typing this now would I?

    Think about it.
    I think you need to think about making your argument a lot more cohesive? If I hadn't turned my computer on this morning, I wouldn't be typing this now would I? See, that has as much connection to the discussion as your statement.

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    i have asked this question over and over, .....but i get no real answer from the left.

    if a woman has a right to her body, to do as she please, becuase it is her body.

    then does not a person have the right to do with their personal property, as they chose, since it is also their property?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    If a woman rents her body out it is still her choice to make, she has rights over her own body so I don't see how your point addresses what I said?



    The fallacy many pro-life people make is that all these children would have happy caring homes to go to. In the last set of US statistics, 400,000 children were in care. Not adopted and not living idyllic rosy happy lives.



    Please explain?



    Yeah, add another 50 million humans to the equation, if a large proportion of those unwanted kids had gone on to be born - what percentage would be adopted / in foster care / in children's homes?

    Would pro-lifers be happy to foot the bill for all those extra millions?



    Your reasoning doesn't make sense. Especially if you are supposedly "pro-life..."



    I think you need to think about making your argument a lot more cohesive? If I hadn't turned my computer on this morning, I wouldn't be typing this now would I? See, that has as much connection to the discussion as your statement.
    How cohesive is: "You shall not murder"

    Let me guess you're gong to label me a religious nutter next?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    How cohesive is: "You shall not murder"

    Let me guess you're gong to label me a religious nutter next?
    I can only repeat your own words back to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have asked this question over and over, .....but i get no real answer from the left.

    if a woman has a right to her body, to do as she please, becuase it is her body.

    then does not a person have the right to do with their personal property, as they chose, since it is also their property?
    What does "left" or "right" have to do with abortion?

    In the UK, abortion is not a matter of left wing or right wing politics, I guess things may be different in the USA?

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    re: Arkansas to ban abortion at 12 weeks, earliest in nation [W:1036:1154]

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    i have asked this question over and over, .....but i get no real answer from the left.

    if a woman has a right to her body, to do as she please, becuase it is her body.

    then does not a person have the right to do with their personal property, as they chose, since it is also their property?
    I've been saying the same thing for a long time...

    No, you will get no answer..

    Progressives are snug like that.

    Their answer is "just because." No principal - "just because it sounds good and could potentially favor me."

    Progressives are greedy little devils who only care about themselves.

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