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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're on your own on this one. I don't support any law or treaty that removes personal rights.
    He makes a solid point though. We got signed up for the 1961 Convention of Narcotics, which puts strong limits on marijuana. Once the representative put his signature on that piece of paper, it became US law according to the Constitution. Granted, this is just the UN whining about double standards, but a double standard it is if we choose to ignore them.

    Personally, I say **** 'em, but for the sake of keeping our global counterparts happy, we should move to either amend or revoke the treaty.
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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Article 3 of the United Nations Convention Against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances states:

    Subject to its constitutional principles and the basic concepts of its legal system, each Party shall adopt such measures as may be necessary to establish as a criminal offence under its domestic law, when committed intentionally, the possession, purchase or cultivation of narcotic drugs or psychotropic substances for personal consumption contrary to the provisions of the 1961 Convention, the 1961 Convention as amended or the 1971 Convention.
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    So the US government is still constrained by US law. The individual states don't sing on to these treaties. The federal government does and it is obligated to pass alws in keeping with the treaty. However, if the laws are intruding onto an area that should be a state's rights issue (such as what drugs should be legal) then the treaty should hold no sway.

    That is one of the issues about the UN. Not all nations have the same government styles. Some issues fall into the hands of the states, who are not signatories, rather than the national government, who is. Once we can get the courts to establish this is a state's rights issue then the treaty is worthless as far a the US goes, since the treaty itself states it is subject to each Party's "constitutional principles" and "legal system".

    And I don't know crap about the law other than what I read on wikipedia so I could be talking out my a$$.

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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Surtr View Post
    He makes a solid point though. We got signed up for the 1961 Convention of Narcotics, which puts strong limits on marijuana. Once the representative put his signature on that piece of paper, it became US law according to the Constitution. Granted, this is just the UN whining about double standards, but a double standard it is if we choose to ignore them.

    Personally, I say **** 'em, but for the sake of keeping our global counterparts happy, we should move to either amend or revoke the treaty.
    No, I get that. And for whatever it counts, I believe that individual liberties, so long as they do not result in harm to another person or their property, trumps other treaties. It's the same logic I've always applied to state laws vs. Federal laws. As I said, for whatever it counts.

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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    No, I get that. And for whatever it counts, I believe that individual liberties, so long as they do not result in harm to another person or their property, trumps other treaties. It's the same logic I've always applied to state laws vs. Federal laws. As I said, for whatever it counts.
    In a perfect world, under a perfect system designed to protect freedoms and liberties, it would go something like that. Unfortunately, we're stuck with crap like this.
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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    I'm not in favor of legalizing the recreational use of harmful drugs, but this is none of the UN's damn business.

    It's not even any of the federal government's damn business.

    Per the Tenth Amendment, this belongs entirely to the states or lower levels of government.

    Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given any power regarding recreational drug use, so it certainly has no authority to delegate that power to an outside organization such as the UN.
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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    6 of those are in my own language buddy. :p Doesn't this make you cautious?
    Not that I'd ever take Zoloft. There isn't really a line between what is legal and illegal in terms of danger. The line comes in terms of what it is used for. For instance diacetylmorphine is used in some of the most severe cases of pain for trauma patients. On the street this compound is called heroin, and it is one of the most dangerous and addictive substances there are.

    The line is drawn in terms of context of who is issuing it and what it is being used for in context of how dangerous it is.

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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Not that I'd ever take Zoloft. There isn't really a line between what is legal and illegal in terms of danger. The line comes in terms of what it is used for. For instance diacetylmorphine is used in some of the most severe cases of pain for trauma patients. On the street this compound is called heroin, and it is one of the most dangerous and addictive substances there are.

    The line is drawn in terms of context of who is issuing it and what it is being used for in context of how dangerous it is.
    Good point. But I still find it funny that pot/weed is taboo when we have doctors peddling Zoloft for pharmaceutical companies.
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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Good point. But I still find it funny that pot/weed is taboo when we have doctors peddling Zoloft for pharmaceutical companies.
    I'm confused what you're trying to say about Zoloft. If its being used causally and fraudulently being prescribed, then yes it is bad.

    But there are some people who have severe depression for whom it helps immensely. Just as there are some extreme trauma patients for whom heroin helps immensely.



    As for weed, don't let anyone fool you that it is harmless. I just don't see any use for it being legal.

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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'm confused what you're trying to say about Zoloft. If its being used causally and fraudulently being prescribed, then yes it is bad.

    But there are some people who have severe depression for whom it helps immensely. Just as there are some extreme trauma patients for whom heroin helps immensely.



    As for weed, don't let anyone fool you that it is harmless. I just don't see any use for it being legal.
    Many people dont see the use in praying to god or getting tattooed by injecting ink into your skin with a needle. People smoke weed to feel better. Its sad but its the truth. All anti-depresents do is make people feel better. But they come with the side effect of "sudden death" and many other things. Why is gambling with 1 so extreme justifiable to you if done through proper channels yet "frivolous" weed needs to be infringed? Why is "sudden death" for moods good when okay'd by a doc but "munchies" is bad if decided by the individual?
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    Re: UN: Colo., Wash. legal pot violates drug treaties

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Blaylock View Post
    I'm not in favor of legalizing the recreational use of harmful drugs, but this is none of the UN's damn business.

    It's not even any of the federal government's damn business.

    Per the Tenth Amendment, this belongs entirely to the states or lower levels of government.

    Nowhere in the Constitution is the federal government given any power regarding recreational drug use, so it certainly has no authority to delegate that power to an outside organization such as the UN.
    This is the first time I somewhat agree with you. :] Conservatives oughta embrace this as a states rights issue. Then they can win over some the young people they desperately need for future elections.

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