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TSA to Allow Pocket Knives On Planes - ABC News
As the nation braces for potentially extended airport security lines because of the federal budget sequester, the Travel Security Administration (TSA) has announced they will allow small pocket knives and certain sporting goods on planes for the first time in more than a decade.
TSA Administrator John Pistole announced the change today at an aviation security conference in New York.


I haven't decided how I feel about this decision yet.
 
joko104 said:
TSA to Allow Pocket Knives On Planes - ABC News
As the nation braces for potentially extended airport security lines because of the federal budget sequester, the Travel Security Administration (TSA) has announced they will allow small pocket knives and certain sporting goods on planes for the first time in more than a decade.
TSA Administrator John Pistole announced the change today at an aviation security conference in New York.


I haven't decided how I feel about this decision yet.
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Ummm...... Aren't pocket knives a little bigger than box cutters?
 
I want them to allow liquids as well. It's a hassle to try and bring duty free alcohol with you if you're flying into the USA.

danarhea said:
Ummm...... Aren't pocket knives a little bigger than box cutters?
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I really don't believe that 9/11 fairytale.

And I've flown with lighters and pocketknives in my bag since then, ones that I forgot were even in there and security never found them. Despite the security madness, a lot of stuff is getting through.
 
Good, it will give me something to use on that Arab guy I think is going to hijack the plane.:roll:

If knives are outlawed, only hijackers will have knives.

Sorry, I had to.:2razz:
 
Seems strange to suddenly come up this unexpected bit of largesse on the part of the TSA. I wasn't even aware that there was a groundswell of enthusiasm to fly around with pocketknives. Guess that's why Janet Napolitano gets the big bucks.
 
Why do you think the TSA really made this decision? I think it is to change the topic to instead discussing this. Since they are already doing total searches of passengers, this won't save 1 minute. Gotta be another reason.
 
That makes perfect sense, because nobody would ever be allowed to drive commercial aricraft into buildings using only small bladed tools. It is shampoo, bottled water and wheelchairs that are the real threats. As long as these TSA buffoons get paid and slow down the folks then who really cares what they do or don't allow. ;)
 
joko104 said:
Why do you think the TSA really made this decision? I think it is to change the topic to instead discussing this. Since they are already doing total searches of passengers, this won't save 1 minute. Gotta be another reason.
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I think it's to outrage the general public, which in turn will turn to outrage and blame on the sequester, which in turn they'll blame on the Republicans.

I don't think it will work though. They're freaking pocket knives. I carry pocket knives all the time without even thinking about it. I say get rid of the TSA entirely.
 
joko104 said:
Why do you think the TSA really made this decision? I think it is to change the topic to instead discussing this. Since they are already doing total searches of passengers, this won't save 1 minute. Gotta be another reason.
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I suspect the Air Marshalls are on the chopping block and they do not want to announce that so they are going to rely more on passengers being able to protect the plane with death by 1,000 cuts on a hijacker.
 
joko104 said:
TSA to Allow Pocket Knives On Planes - ABC News
As the nation braces for potentially extended airport security lines because of the federal budget sequester, the Travel Security Administration (TSA) has announced they will allow small pocket knives and certain sporting goods on planes for the first time in more than a decade.
TSA Administrator John Pistole announced the change today at an aviation security conference in New York.


I haven't decided how I feel about this decision yet.
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I'm going to try and board a plane with one of these bad boys just to see what happens.

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I'll make sure to send you guys a post card from Guantanamo in between waterboarding sessions. :lamo
 
joko104 said:
TSA to Allow Pocket Knives On Planes - ABC News
As the nation braces for potentially extended airport security lines because of the federal budget sequester, the Travel Security Administration (TSA) has announced they will allow small pocket knives and certain sporting goods on planes for the first time in more than a decade.
TSA Administrator John Pistole announced the change today at an aviation security conference in New York.


I haven't decided how I feel about this decision yet.
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That's because they have confiscated so many that every TSA (Touch Someone's Ass) agent and his/her family has 10 ten pocket knives each. They don't want anymore. The bastards owe me two good ones.
 
Risky Thicket said:
That's because they have confiscated so many that every TSA (Touch Someone's Ass) agent and his/her family has 10 ten pocket knives each. They don't want anymore. The bastards owe me two good ones.
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Even after that, the are having to rent large storage buildings to store the unwanted pocket knives. It became a hassle.
 
Ray410 said:
Seems strange to suddenly come up this unexpected bit of largesse on the part of the TSA. I wasn't even aware that there was a groundswell of enthusiasm to fly around with pocketknives. Guess that's why Janet Napolitano gets the big bucks.
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Yeah, when most people complain about TSA security it isn’t because they can’t bring a pocket knife on board. I would rather them keep the knife ban in place if it means I can bring my own damn drinks on with me.
 
This is being blown out of proportion. The knifes they are allowing are not much of a threat.

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ttwtt78640 said:
That makes perfect sense, because nobody would ever be allowed to drive commercial aricraft into buildings using only small bladed tools. It is shampoo, bottled water and wheelchairs that are the real threats. As long as these TSA buffoons get paid and slow down the folks then who really cares what they do or don't allow. ;)
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Liquid chemicals, particularly 2 parts mixable, can make tremendously powerful explosives and it takes little volume to do it.

The concerns with wheel chairs is most are made of hollow metal tubes in which both explosives and parts to make a firearm can be hidden. That also is the reason they want laptops separate for careful examination. It would not take much of an explosion to bring down a jetliner. If I remember correctly, they initially required people to turn on electronics to make sure they were real - but booting time was probably too delaying.
 
Pilot said:
This is being blown out of proportion. The knifes they are allowing are not much of a threat.

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I can see why flight attendants wouldn't like this. Some passengers do go wacko, particularly if drinking. No one wants their face slashed and a 2 inch blade is sufficient to slash a throat.

Again, I see this as a news diversion matter.
 
joko104 said:
TSA to Allow Pocket Knives On Planes - ABC News
As the nation braces for potentially extended airport security lines because of the federal budget sequester, the Travel Security Administration (TSA) has announced they will allow small pocket knives and certain sporting goods on planes for the first time in more than a decade.
TSA Administrator John Pistole announced the change today at an aviation security conference in New York.


I haven't decided how I feel about this decision yet.
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Now let's see if they'll actually be allowed.
 
joko104 said:
I can see why flight attendants wouldn't like this. Some passengers do go wacko, particularly if drinking. No one wants their face slashed and a 2 inch blade is sufficient to slash a throat.

Again, I see this as a news diversion matter.
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The new regulations are in line with the international standards. I don't think I've ever heard of that happening on a foreign flight. I could see the argument with larger knifes, but I just don't see what is being allowed causing an issue.
 
joko104 said:
Liquid chemicals, particularly 2 parts mixable, can make tremendously powerful explosives and it takes little volume to do it.

The concerns with wheel chairs is most are made of hollow metal tubes in which both explosives and parts to make a firearm can be hidden. That also is the reason they want laptops separate for careful examination. It would not take much of an explosion to bring down a jetliner. If I remember correctly, they initially required people to turn on electronics to make sure they were real - but booting time was probably too delaying.
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9/11/2001 did not involve blowing up aircraft, it involved letting morons, "armed" with boxcutters, drive them into buildings. TSA does a very poor job of finding things (except valuable items in luggage). Placing TSA into the mix simply absolves the airlines (and their insurance companies) of any liability for security. Do you seriously think that TSA provides better security than the airlines would if they were simply randomly tested and heavily fined if they did not pass gov't security inspections? Profit and fear of liability are the true motivators of security, not using hapless gov't morons with wands and badges. 4 or 5 morons, "armed" with boxcutters would have a hard time successfully robbing the typical gas station, grocery store or bank yet were allowed to actually drive (pilot?) commercial airliners. We should have simply allowed the two arilines involved to have been sued out of existance and setup gov't security regulations and tested the remaining carriers for compliance.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
9/11/2001 did not involve blowing up aircraft, it involved letting morons, "armed" with boxcutters, drive them into buildings. TSA does a very poor job of finding things (except valuable items in luggage). Placing TSA into the mix simply absolves the airlines (and their insurance companies) of any liability for security. Do you seriously think that TSA provides better security than the airlines would if they were simply randomly tested and heavily fined if they did not pass gov't security inspections? Profit and fear of liability are the true motivators of security, not using hapless gov't morons with wands and badges. 4 or 5 morons, "armed" with boxcutters would have a hard time successfully robbing the typical gas station, grocery store or bank yet were allowed to actually drive (pilot?) commercial airliners. We should have simply allowed the two arilines involved to have been sued out of existance and setup gov't security regulations and tested the remaining carriers for compliance.
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I do not agree. Airline security would have no law enforcement powers and blowing of an airliner (which as been unsuccessfully attempted due to the liquids limit) would be devastating beyond the immediate lose of life.

I do NOT like TSA practices - GREATLY - but law enforcement based security is a necessity.
 
joko104 said:
TSA to Allow Pocket Knives On Planes - ABC News
As the nation braces for potentially extended airport security lines because of the federal budget sequester, the Travel Security Administration (TSA) has announced they will allow small pocket knives and certain sporting goods on planes for the first time in more than a decade.
TSA Administrator John Pistole announced the change today at an aviation security conference in New York.
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I checked and the TSA will still ban the P-38 on all flights.
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joko104 said:
I can see why flight attendants wouldn't like this. Some passengers do go wacko, particularly if drinking. No one wants their face slashed and a 2 inch blade is sufficient to slash a throat.

Again, I see this as a news diversion matter.
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We really didn't have that problem back when all this stuff was perfectly fine and I see no reason why we would now.
 
joko104 said:
I do not agree. Airline security would have no law enforcement powers and blowing of an airliner (which as been unsuccessfully attempted due to the liquids limit) would be devastating beyond the immediate lose of life.

I do NOT like TSA practices - GREATLY - but law enforcement based security is a necessity.
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It is unclear as to the actual arrest powers of TSA, basically they may only deny you access, not arrest you. What is clear is that their effectiveness is questionable. More TSA personnel have been arrested (for baggage theft) than "terrorists" dectected or "arrested" by them.

A report on undercover operations conducted in October 2006 at Newark Liberty International Airport was leaked to the press. The screeners had failed 20 of 22 undercover security tests, missing numerous guns and bombs. The Government Accountability Office had previously pointed to repeated covert test failures by TSA personnel.[106][107] Revealing the results of covert tests is against TSA policy, and the agency responded by initiating an internal probe to discover the source of the leak.[108]

In July 2007, the Times Union of Albany, New York reported that TSA screeners at Albany International Airport failed multiple covert security tests conducted by the TSA. Among them was a failure to detect a fake bomb.[109]

In December 2010, ABC News Houston reported in an article about a man who accidentally took a forgotten gun through airport security, that "the failure rate approaches 70 percent at some major airports".[110]

In May 2012, a report from the Department of Homeland Security Office of Inspector General stated that the TSA "does not have a complete understanding" of breaches at the nation's airports, with some hubs doing very little to fix or report security breaches. These findings will be presented to Congress.[111]
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The TSA has been criticized[152] for an increase in baggage theft after its inception. Reported thefts include both valuable and dangerous goods, such as laptops, jewelry[153] guns,[154] and knives.[155] Such thefts have raised concerns that the same access might allow bombs to be placed aboard aircraft.[156]

In 2004, over 17,000 claims of baggage theft were reported.[153] As of 2004, 60 screeners had been arrested for baggage theft,[153] a number which had grown to 200 screeners by 2008.[157] 11,700 theft and damage claims were reported to the TSA in 2009, a drop from 26,500 in 2004, which was attributed to the installation of cameras and conveyor belts in airports.[158]

As of 2011, the TSA employs about 60,000 screeners in total (counting both baggage and passenger screening)[159] and approximately 500 TSA agents have been fired or suspended for stealing from passenger luggage since the agency's creation in November 2001. The most affected airports are in the New York area – John F. Kennedy International Airport JFK, LaGuardia Airport LGA and Newark Liberty International Airport EWR.[160]

In 2008 an investigative report by WTAE in Pittsburgh discovered that despite over 400 reports of baggage theft, about half of which the TSA reimbursed passengers for, not a single arrest had been made.[7] The TSA does not, as a matter of policy, share baggage theft reports with local police departments.[7]
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