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AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

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Fisher said:
If he were such a great leader why did he have to go to Cuba to get the cancer treatment? One would think a great leader would have facilities in his own country that could adequately treat something as common as cancer..........
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cuba is better ?

thxxxxxx :2razz:
 
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Medusa said:
cuba is better ?

thxxxxxx :2razz:
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See now if you had said that they cannot get the stuff to do radiation therapy because of the evil US I might would have believed you. Saying Cuba is a better place really doesn't help your cause that much though......
 
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Fisher said:
See now if you had said that they cannot get the stuff to do radiation therapy because of the evil US I might would have believed you. Saying Cuba is a better place really doesn't help your cause that much though......
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cuba is a symbol country ..think this way please..
 
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Medusa said:
cuba is a symbol country ..think this way please..
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Symbol of what exactly? I really have no ax to grind against Chavez. I have said here before that if I were in his shoes I probably would have walked a similar path out of necessity. I am a realist more than an ideologue. I just find it curious that he went to Cuba for treatment is all.
 
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Fisher said:
Symbol of what exactly? I really have no ax to grind against Chavez. I have said here before that if I were in his shoes I probably would have walked a similar path out of necessity. I am a realist more than an ideologue. I just find it curious that he went to Cuba for treatment is all.
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conspiracy theorist ?
 
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Medusa said:
conspiracy theorist ?
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Just curious. I mean if people in Venezuela were unable to get radiation treatment for cancer because of something the US is doing or because we won't ship chemo drugs there or something, I'd be interested in knowing that. I have donated a few times to RAM (Remote Area Medical) so it is more a human decency inquiry than a political ax to grind thing.......
 
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Medusa said:
but the world will never forget that great leader.......
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You say we lost Chavez? Well you better get looking for him.
I'm not sure how you get to the road to hell from your house but I hear it's paved with good intentions so it shouldn't be to hard to spot. Once you find it just follow it, I'm sure you'll find him there.
 
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My mama used ot hav a couple of rules.
1st, don't speak ill of the dead
2nd, if you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything.

on that note, i'll now share my feelings on the death of Hugo Chavez

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Heebie Jeebie said:
You say we lost Chavez? Well you better get looking for him.
I'm not sure how you get to the road to hell from your house but I hear it's paved with good intentions so it shouldn't be to hard to spot. Once you find it just follow it, I'm sure you'll find him there.
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thx for your best wishes .
 
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And he's still dead, even a day later. So I guess this is really it, then. I was hoping for a message telling us how that sulphur really smells.
 
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Now if Castro will kick over, Rodman can cap Jong-Un, and we can nail Ahmadenijad with a drone.....
 
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Medusa said:
we shouldnt be happy with death

in fact such leaders keep living in hearts
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Indeed. Look at how Mussolini still has that iron grip on Italy...
 
Graffias said:
Chavez was a true and honest man of
integrity and much respected leader. Let us hope that whoever leads the people next will do Comrade Chavez justice in continuing to build a socialist Venezuela and that they remain steadfast in the face of tragedy.
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There is nothing "just" about socialism.
 
I think this is not good. Not good at all. I wish Chavez would live to see his idiotic policies bearing their disastrous fruit, and "the masses" turning against him. Now, whatever happens will not be his fault. The myth of a charismatic leader who cared about the poor will live on - and spawn other abominations.
 
Cyrylek said:
I think this is not good. Not good at all. I wish Chavez would live to see his idiotic policies bearing their disastrous fruit, and "the masses" turning against him. Now, whatever happens will not be his fault. The myth of a charismatic leader who cared about the poor will live on - and spawn other abominations.
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You would be surprised how populism and rhetoric work. Chavez is still extremely popular in Venezuela and will probably remain so for decades after his death, like Peron of Argentina.
 
Here is what Obama's Socialist Professor and mentor at Harvard had to say about Chavez. Note his reference to Joe Kennedy as well.



DR CHARLES OGLETREE (06 March 2013): I think it's worth noting yesterday we lost the President and the leader of Venezuela, Hugo Chavez and I know there's been some conversation about that and what people may not know is that as much as people see his sort of anti-American point of view, one of our former members of Congress has had a good relationship with him and I think that makes a big difference. When you think about Venezuela as the fourth largest donor of provider of oil and other assets to the United States I think it's worth noting that in fact one of his great friends and great supporters here in the United States whose been talking about him for a long time because of giving fuel to freezing families during the winter is the son of one our great Congressman Joe Kennedy and I think that makes an enormous amount of difference in terms of thinking what he means and what he meant to that country.....snip~
 
Looks Like we will be sending our Condolences.

U.S. officials expected to attend Chavez funeral....

Delegation to be announced by White House.
No plans to reciprocate after U.S. diplomats expelled.

(Reuters) - The United States is expected to send a delegation to Hugo Chavez's funeral later this week in a move that could send a conciliatory message to Venezuela now that its stridently anti-American leader has died.

A senior State Department official said the United States was reviewing its response to Venezuela's expulsion of the two military officials and said it had the right to reciprocate in kind but for now it would not be doing so.

The U.S. Embassy in Caracas has been without an ambassador since 2010, when Chavez rejected the U.S. appointee. That led Washington to revoke the credentials of Venezuela's ambassador.

U.S. President Barack Obama issued a statement shortly after Chavez's death was announced, expressing an interest in a "constructive relationship" in the post-Chavez era. But analysts said Washington would be challenged to figure out a way to engage with Venezuelan leaders and the opposition without appearing to meddle in the South American oil-producing nation.

The senior State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the United States would like a "more functional" relationship with the Venezuelan government going forward.....snip~

U.S. officials expected to attend Chavez funeral | Reuters
 
MichaelW said:
You would be surprised how populism and rhetoric work. Chavez is still extremely popular in Venezuela and will probably remain so for decades after his death, like Peron of Argentina.
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perhaps that has something to do with reducing poverty by 66% and extreme poverty by more, increasing education and healthcare significnatly, bringing democracy into communities and starting a vibrant cooperative economy, as well as keeping the oil wealth FOR the country and actually bettering the country significantly.

I love you how assume Latin Americans are stupid and only respont to rhetoric, maybe its the actual outcomes of policies that make hiim popular.
 
RGacky3 said:
perhaps that has something to do with reducing poverty by 66% and extreme poverty by more, increasing education and healthcare significnatly, bringing democracy into communities and starting a vibrant cooperative economy, as well as keeping the oil wealth FOR the country and actually bettering the country significantly.

I love you how assume Latin Americans are stupid and only respont to rhetoric, maybe its the actual outcomes of policies that make hiim popular.
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Then why is the country left in an economic turmoil? Sure maybe the poor benefited from Chavez diminishing the income inequality. Yet not only have they counted the corruption but the sheer waste. Which would mean incompetence.
 
RGacky3 said:
perhaps that has something to do with reducing poverty by 66% and extreme poverty by more, increasing education and healthcare significnatly, bringing democracy into communities and starting a vibrant cooperative economy, as well as keeping the oil wealth FOR the country and actually bettering the country significantly.

I love you how assume Latin Americans are stupid and only respont to rhetoric, maybe its the actual outcomes of policies that make hiim popular.
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Through great effort Chavez was able to single handedly boost world oil prices by 500% during his tenure, hugely boosting Venezuela's only real export, raising many Venezuelans to just above international poverty line, limiting real poverty to only his political rivals and only keeping $2 billion in state revenue for himself. Such a trooper!
 
MMC said:
Then why is the country left in an economic turmoil? Sure maybe the poor benefited from Chavez diminishing the income inequality. Yet not only have they counted the corruption but the sheer waste. Which would mean incompetence.
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What corruption? How is Venezuelan corruption anymore than any other latin american country .... the poor benefited A LOT, and so did the middle class ... that is what a good economic policy does.
 
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