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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    it is your own claim

    no need to lie...............

    What's the lie? I am asking..... What's the matter? question too close to home?
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    What's the lie? I am asking..... What's the matter? question too close to home?
    l think you are one of those conservatives
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    emprica ,l dont have any utopia because l know humans are selfish by nature .this utopia can never come true under current conditions .in fact this current condition has never changed since humans learnt to own private properties during agricultural period .
    Before agriculture, the current conditions were "kill for what you want and keep moving". That second part communists failed.

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    l think you are one of those conservatives

    Really? And what does that mean? You mean a conservative that likes free markets, and the ability for anyone to make it? Yes, guilty.
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Really? And what does that mean? You mean a conservative that likes free markets, and the ability for anyone to make it? Yes, guilty.
    conservatives like conserving money ?

    hewhe
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by Empirica View Post
    Chavez was a devout Communist which indicates that he was most likely an atheist_
    No he was a democratic socialist or a Bolivarian and with a bunch of other Latin American leaders came up with "Socialism for the 21st Century".

    I think the giant cross in which he was displayed by and the times where he made religious out-marks proves that he was a catholic and at one point in his life he wanted to be a priest


    It is the nation of Venezuela that is devout Catholic, which he feigned for political expedience_
    Yea except your again making baseless claims which your so famous for doing


    All communist revolutionaries and dictators are liars who believe the end justifies the means_

    More baseless useless claims

    Like all Marxists, you are an idealist in search of an unsustainable utopian dream that invariably morphs into a stalinist style nightmare involving the usual theft, oppression, human suffering and political genocide_

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    Yup more baseless claims


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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That's alright Maduro is being Called out.

    Venezuela opposition leader Capriles to stand in election.....



    Venezuelan opposition leader Henrique Capriles has confirmed that he will stand in presidential elections on 14 April.
    In a televised address, Mr Capriles accused the governing PSUV party of manipulating the recent death of Hugo Chavez.

    The opposition boycotted Mr Maduro's swearing-in on Friday, claiming that - under the constitution - the speaker of the National Assembly, Diosdado Cabello, should be the one to take over as acting president.

    Mr Capriles - candidate for the umbrella opposition group Table for Democratic Unity (MUD) - called the move fraudulent.
    On Sunday, he again accused the socialist PSUV of violating the constitution.

    'Biggest mistake'

    In his televised address on Sunday, Nicolas Maduro accused Henrique Capriles of inciting hatred, and said he was trying to provoke violence by insulting the late president's image.

    "You have made the biggest mistake of your life," he said.....snip~

    BBC News - Venezuela opposition leader Capriles to stand in election

    Hope Capriles gets plenty of Security!
    Why would he need security?


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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Why would he need security?
    Well for one Maduro is openly threatening him......which you see in that piece. Now there is more.....Right?

    Capriles, Maduro at each other's throats in Venezuela election race



    (Reuters) - Presidential candidates Nicolas Maduro and Henrique Capriles have begun Venezuela's election race with scathing personal attacks even as mourners still file past Hugo Chavez's coffin.

    "I am not Chavez, but I am his son," Maduro told thousands of cheering, red-clad supporters as he formally presented his candidacy to the election board on Monday.

    "I am you, a worker. You and I are Chavez, workers and soldiers of the fatherland," the former bus driver and union activist added after the crowd's emotions were whipped up by recordings of Chavez singing the national anthem.

    The official mourning period for Chavez ends on Tuesday. However, the government extended a temporary ban on alcohol and carrying firearms through March 16.

    Capriles, Maduro at each other's throats in Venezuela election race | Reuters

    Because Maduro is a thug wannabe.....and thugs always resort to thuggish ways!

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    1. THere has been an increase ECONOMY WIDE, meaning he's made more markets for investment, which is why manufacturing and commerce has gone up, when you take the oil money and build infastructure, get rid of poverty and so on, you make an economy where people can invest and build buisinesses internally, which has happened.

    Not increased local consumption, increased demand. But even with these shortages, you still have major increases in living standards, btw, I don't agree with food price controls, I think there are better ways to deal with those issues.

    As far as capital formation ...

    Venezuela - gross capital formation

    I think venezuela is doing pretty well, especially considering how it was DOING.

    You're right about the added value source, I apologise for that. this source Manufacturing (value added) of Venezuela, 1970-2011 goes to 2011, and it shows that percentage wise manufacturing has gone down (as would be expected when you nationalize oil), but numberwise it's gone way up.
    gross capital formation: Looking at only the nominal chart is completely misleading. Look at it as a % of GDP, and you'll see that it's way down. Not to mention this number is artificially inflated by the oil money and as their number one oil market starts requiring less oil imports (the US), they need to seriously ramp up other revenue sources to avoid serious economic problems.

    As for manufacturing, I've said a thousand times; their manufacturing is dominanted by the public sector which is mostly financed by oil. But also I'd point out that it has stagnated over the last four years, despite large deficits. You still aren't disproving anything I say; which most importantly is that Venezuela strictly depends on oil revenue to finance it's economic growth and that it had seen relatively little to no private sector growth and very little private sector investment over the last 5 years.

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh? Really? Check the CRA, there's your bubble....Demo created, demo nurtured, demo forced, then when it came tumbling down, demo disowned.
    I don't care if it was the democrats or republicans, it was neo-liberals following Reagans financial deregulation policy that created it.

    The CRA has nothing to do with it.

    The bubble was created by deregulation allowing all sorts of externalities to build up and systemic risk, it was essnecially internal to Capitalism.

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