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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    well once in awhile you do hear some good news!
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

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    His Daughters don't look so grief Stricken.....today that is!
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    So when will Obama order flags lowered to half-staff?
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That's quite the cherry picking you've done there. Your "study" shows the statistics since the government took over the oil sector, but it oh so conviently leaves out the circumstances under which the government took over the oil sector. I'm sure you're well aware that in the year 2002, Venezuela saw a coup d'état, three general strikes by the public, and a oil lockout. In the first four months of 2003 alone, their GDP fell by 26%. Most of this "94.7% growth came in the subsequent recovery from that 26% contraction, as well as the 8.9% contraction in 2002. Your own study even shows says that when you start at the pre-recession peak, the growth was only 37.2%.

    However your source falsely claims that "it could be argued that this was difficult" because there was "considerable sabotage" in the oil industry. Baloney. Production had been halted, not damaged, and if there was "considerable sabotage" then why did it take only two months for oil to reach pre-strike levels? Further more, your study's cut off point is 4th quarter of 2008, conveniently before their GDP in current U.S. dollars by nearly 20% from 2010-2011. That's according to the World Bank by the way.


    If one simply looks at Chavez's full term from 1998-2009, instead of cherry picking the difference between the highs and the lows, one finds that the economy grew 4.3% per year, or nearly a third of what you are claiming. And you know where I got that? Your own source.

    The fact of the matter is this. While yes, Venezuela has had growth rates that would be considered exception here in the U.S., overall, their growth rates are not so impressive when compared to other in the region. In fact, from 2004-2012, their growth rates were a mediocre 6th out of 11 comparable countries ~@4.7% per year. Economic Growth in Venezuela | The Americas Blog
    Certainly not the outperformer you claim it to be.
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by RGacky3 View Post
    perhaps that has something to do with reducing poverty by 66% and extreme poverty by more, increasing education and healthcare significnatly, bringing democracy into communities and starting a vibrant cooperative economy, as well as keeping the oil wealth FOR the country and actually bettering the country significantly.

    I love you how assume Latin Americans are stupid and only respont to rhetoric, maybe its the actual outcomes of policies that make hiim popular.
    Notice the word "populism". And the success of his "Bolivarian socialist revolution" is dubious at best. What successes that have been achieved are met with equal failures. Nothing is clear cut and his legacy will likely be akin to what the Perons are to Argentina.
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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Just got an update form the VP to my phone saying the VP of Venezuela has announced that Hugo Chavez has died.
    Articles and link to come soon.

    RIP Hugo Chavez. You were a great president and a great leader of Venezuela and did many great things for your country.
    Yay, the thief has died.

    What a POS clown...

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    Re: AP: VP of Venezuela Has Announced Hugo Chavez has Died

    I knew he was dead before it was ever announced.

    His opposition claimed he was dead and the VP called bull**** and called them liars (opposition) and propagandists, then ironically confirmed that to be fact.

    It's almost like democrats getting called on their bull**** but only after 5 hours and not a CBO report.

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