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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    LOL. Self-appointed non-doctor Sangha turns to Wikipedia as his medical journal, after I cite the publication of real doctors specialized in care for the elderly.
    So far, you're the only person in the world saying that CPR should never be done on a person who is breathing, no matter how poor their breathing is
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Another reason some people won't give mouth to mouth without a respirator is because of possible infection. Not likely in an 87 yr old but HIV, Hep C and other deadly diseases can be passed through saliva.
    Actually it is very much myth that HIV, Hep C etc are not found in elderly.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

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    Actually it is very much myth that HIV, Hep C etc are not found in elderly.
    I was taught that 50+ was the highest STD risk demographic because they don't use condoms...because they can't get pregnant.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So far, you're the only person in the world saying that CPR should never be done on a person who is breathing, no matter how poor their breathing is

    I stand behind what I posted. Not knowing any other medical information, a person should not administer CPR to a person who is breathing not knowing why the person has difficulty breathing. People like you with Wikipedia wisdow rushing in to want to take total control other peoples lives into YOUR singular decision - something you express over and over again on every topic - is what constitutes a pro-actively very dangerous person due to what your messages suggest are very major control-freakism narcissm issues.

    The FACTS bear out that what you would have done - CPR not knowing what the hell her medical issue was - would have been exactly wrong. That 87 year old woman did NOT die for lack of CPR at the scene. She died because she was dying.

    It also is known that CPR was exactly NOT necessary as the woman died later at the hospital - which not only could do CPR but the entire array of medical expertise and equipment.

    That 87 year old woman did not die for lack of CPR at the scene. She died because she was dying.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So far, you're the only person in the world saying that CPR should never be done on a person who is breathing, no matter how poor their breathing is

    I too was taught to never ever do cpr if there is even the slightest bit of breathing going on. That was years ago though.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I stand behind what I posted. Not knowing any other medical information, a person should not administer CPR to a person who is breathing not knowing why the person has difficulty breathing.
    That's not what you said

    You said that CPR should never be given to someone that was breathing.

    But I can't blame you for dishonestly trying to run away from the absurd claim you made.

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You do NOT do CPR on someone who is breathing! Even if "barely" breathing.


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    You NEVER do CPR on someone who is breathing for MANY reasons.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    You do NOT do CPR on someone who is breathing! Even if "barely" breathing.[/B] At the most, you give that person oxygen and maybe a blood thinner - not start pounding and pumping on the person's chest!!! And get the person to the hospital ASAP. Don't you people know that?!
    How outrageous. CPR isn't just for people who aren't breathing! The American Heart Association has clear guidelines which state that CPR CAN be administered to a person who is not breathing normally, i.e. a person who is "gasping." That facility is a disgrace and, as another poster noted, she should have her license suspended at the very least. Her callous inaction is extraordinarily unethical and negligent. If she just wanted to be a babysitter then she should have thought of that before becoming a licensed nurse!

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    The absence of breathing is the main indicator of cardiac arrest in a non-hospital setting. Respiratory arrest is very rare unless it follows cardiac arrest. It follows that if someone is breathing, their heart is more likely than not to be beating, and CPR is not only not needed but positively harmful. You NEVER practice on a living person for this reason.



    Vinnie gets it wrong at the end, it's very hard. Try pushing down on a football, compressing it 2" every time at 100 beats per minute for five minutes non-stop. If the ambulance doesn't arrive by then with oxygen, they're dead already. If it does arrive then you and they will have given the person a 30% chance of recovery.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    that woman's age is not an excuse to ignore this news . and it is the duty of media to make people aware what kind of problems the others have been experiencing in that society

    social justice is for everyone , not everybody has the same opportunities as the others in this life.not everybody can buy health insurance .
    The woman chose, paid, to be at a no-CPR facility and her family is satisfied with the actions of the staff. I think it's sad and cannot imagine how to stand there and not try, but it is what it is and no one suffered injustice.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    How outrageous. CPR isn't just for people who aren't breathing! The American Heart Association has clear guidelines which state that CPR CAN be administered to a person who is not breathing normally, i.e. a person who is "gasping." That facility is a disgrace and, as another poster noted, she should have her license suspended at the very least. Her callous inaction is extraordinarily unethical and negligent. If she just wanted to be a babysitter then she should have thought of that before becoming a licensed nurse!

    I already posted the distinction between what the Heart Associate says is general advice and what doctors who specialize in the elderly said on the subject.

    The only thing that would risked her license is if she had done CPR despite her training and job instruction not to. Her "authority" stemmed from the overseeing doctor for the facility and over her - not a telephone operator answering a 911 call.

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