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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    I don't understand why there is so much debate about this. The woman had a DNR. Had they disobeyed that and revived her, they probably would've been sued.

    If I had a DNR and someone brought me back to life, I'd be pissed.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Well, Wiki isn't the best source for anything, there are reasons to not perform CPR on someone who is having trouble, and that having trouble breathing does not automatically mean "start CPR". However, the claim I was refuting was that CPR is never to be performed on someone who is still breathing, no matter how poor their breathing was. That is just untrue
    An emergency first responder would not give CPR if still breathing. Now Paramedics etc it is probably different, but I am not at that level of training. So you are probably correct.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    An emergency first responder would not give CPR if still breathing. Now Paramedics etc it is probably different, but I am not at that level of training. So you are probably correct.
    I see no evidence that a 1st responder would not perform CPR in *this* situation, though that may be the case.

    However, that is not the point. Again, I was responding to joko's absurd claim that CPR should only be performed on people who were not breathing at all. He wasn't just commenting on *this* case. He went far beyond into wacky-land.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I see no evidence that a 1st responder would not perform CPR in *this* situation, though that may be the case.
    I am a certified first responder and rescue diver. We would not give CPR if the person is still breathing. The chances are to high of doing more damage than good.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    However, that is not the point. Again, I was responding to joko's absurd claim that CPR should only be performed on people who were not breathing at all. He wasn't just commenting on *this* case. He went far beyond into wacky-land.
    Joko aside, as I said Paramedics etc have specialized equipment and a much higher degree of training. So yes I agree.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    Until the laws are such you cannot be sued for rendering aid, what can you do?
    That *is* the law in California. The 911 operator has legal immunity over giving advice, and "existing law expressly provides immunity from civil liability to any person who completes a designated cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) course and who, in good faith, renders emergency cardiopulmonary resuscitation at the scene of an emergency"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That *is* the law in California. The 911 operator has legal immunity over giving advice, and "existing law expressly provides immunity from civil liability to any person who completes a designated cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) course and who, in good faith, renders emergency cardiopulmonary resuscitation at the scene of an emergency"
    That does not waive the responsibility of the business or property. How does that work in CA?
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    I don't understand why there is so much debate about this. The woman had a DNR. Had they disobeyed that and revived her, they probably would've been sued.
    She did not have a DNR, some news organizations had that wrong.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    That does not waive the responsibility of the business or property. How does that work in CA?
    The way it works in California is that you can be sued if you're providing a paid service. If the nurse thought she was providing a paid service, she could have handed the phone over to someone who wasn't an employee, as the operator requested.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The way it works in California is that you can be sued if you're providing a paid service. If the nurse thought she was providing a paid service, she could have handed the phone over to someone who wasn't an employee, as the operator requested.
    I think she did the right thing, call me paranoid. I know when I work at an account here, we are not allowed to render anything aside from basic are you OK? And call for paramedics. Reason being if someone is hurt on your property even though I am protected, the property is not.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Nonsense. You don't know what you're talking but that doesnt stop you from spouting off

    Cardiopulmonary resuscitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    LOL. Self-appointed non-doctor Sangha turns to Wikipedia as his medical journal, after I cite the publication of real doctors specialized in care for the elderly.

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