This appears an opportunity for the media to create some OMG RAGE! crap before knowing the facts - and sadly too many people go along with it.
Here is what appears the real story.
1. An 86 year old woman collapsed.
2. Per policy, a staffer promptly called 911
3. A 911 telephone receptionist - with NO medical license - decided to play doctor and tried to get the staffer to be her nurse, for which the nurse refused.
4. The woman was transported to the hospital, still alive, meaning CPR was fully not necessary and would have been harmful or lethal.
IF those are the facts, then ABC and those raging along with that for-profit corporation (that makes money by making attention getters) are 100% wrong factually (and therefore also otherwise.)
It even has this in the article - that people now rage about:
At the beginning of the Feb. 26 call, the nurse asked for paramedics to come and help the woman who had collapsed and was barely breathing, according to a transcript of the call.
You do NOT do CPR on someone who is breathing! Even if "barely" breathing. At the most, you give that person oxygen and maybe a blood thinner - not start pounding and pumping on the person's chest!!! And get the person to the hospital ASAP.
Don't you people know that?!
In REAL terms, the 911 operator was telling that nurse: "KILL HER! KILL HER! AND IF YOU WON'T, FIND ANYONE WHO WILL! KILLING HER IS THE ONLY DECENT THING TO DO!!!"
Last edited by joko104; 03-04-13 at 03:54 PM.
social justice is for everyone , not everybody has the same opportunities as the others in this life.not everybody can buy health insurance .
"Sovereignty is not given, it is taken." ATATÜRK
The possible lack of alarm by the nurse is because people who work in old age homes come accustomed to seeing old folks have medical crisis and pass away too. Experienced paramedics also come to act and make decisions without emotional drama.
“Most people do not listen with the intent to understand; they listen with the intent to reply.”
― Stephen R. Covey
The story says the woman was still breathing. That she died later in the hospital. Accordingly, CPR would NOT have helped in any way and only poised potential to harm or kill the woman. You NEVER do CPR on someone who is breathing for MANY reasons.
For example, difficulty breathing could be the result of some obstruction (such as food) restricting breathing. Blowing into a person's mouth is exactly what NOT to do as it pushes the obstruction deeper and can cause total blockage - and DEATH. A person "barely breathing" is NO indication of ANY heart problem whatsoever! Doing CPR on someone having difficulty breathing would make less sense than putting a bandage on the person's leg - other than putting a bandage on the person's leg wouldn't harm the person.
The media got it wrong, as did the 911 operator. NEVER, EVER, EVER do CPR (chest or mouth-to-mouth) on someone "barely breathing." That can ONLY do harm or cause death.
As Jerry stated, there is no story here. Move on.
Nice little lecture you have about "social justice" anyway.
Last edited by joko104; 03-04-13 at 04:06 PM.
CPR in the field is indicated ONLY if the patient has stopped breathing. A 911 operator should not be dispensing or suggesting medical treatment. Had the staffer started CPR as per the operator's instructions and the patient had died then because of it, the operator should be on the hook for negligence.