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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by 66gardeners View Post
    Yes, I agree that it is bizare to call 911 when there is no intention of providing care for this woman. Who else do you call if someone is dying though? The body does need to be taken away.
    Eventually, you call a doctor to confirm the death, then the coroners office or funeral picks up the body. Why 911 was called if no attempt to help was being offered is really the whole debacle.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    The only reason this is in the news is to give the public a baseline of fear that a lack of medical care will kill innocent people and therefore WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING!!

    Lots of elderly die every day. Lots of elderly could have been saved but have DNRs in place. This literally happens all the time. The only difference here is that this incident had a good 911 call for us to hear.

    Calm down people, there's nothing to see here, move along.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Eventually, you call a doctor to confirm the death, then the coroners office or funeral picks up the body. Why 911 was called if no attempt to help was being offered is really the whole debacle.
    The call was made likely because the nurse also is required to do so by her employer.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The woman was 86 and had a DNR (Do not resucessitate).
    She was 87 and apparently did *not* have a DNR (contrary to some reports).

    "Bayless's daughter, a nurse herself, confirmed that her mother did not have a do-not-resuscitate order, but said she was satisfied with the way Glenwood handled the situation"

    Dramatic 911 tape reveals dispatcher
    Nurse refuses to give CPR: 'Not at this time,' woman dies - San Diego Top News | Examiner.com

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Following doctor's orders or her employment policies are not the only duties a nurse is subject to. Her license is predicated on another set of rules. If she were walking down the street, she could have just kept on walking by. She was not. She was in an employment setting as a nurse and quite frankly interfered with the 911 operators efforts to get someone on the telephone who would try to save the woman's life.
    She didn't interfere with anyone. Doing nothing is not interfering.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There used to be good samaritan laws. If you had been trained and if you acted based on that training, you where safe from civil suits as I understood the laws. Not sure of the current status, or even if those where federal or state laws.
    I believe they still apply. During my CPR training they told us if a person goes unconscious and CPR is required you can give it without any consent and be covered under Good Samaritan laws if the patient decides to sue you for something afterwards.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR | News - Home


    This is the sad state our country is in. It is a messed up situation but this woman/her employer are right that they could have been sued and probably would have lost if they had intervened. The woman, and everyone else around there, should be ashamed of themselves none the less.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The woman was 86 and had a DNR (Do not resucessitate).
    Where do you get that she had a DNR? I see speculation that she might have, but at least one source (a local NBC affiliate) says she didn't.

    The 87-year-old woman died. Reports identify her at Lorraine Bayless and confirm she did not have a do-not-resuscitate order. Her daughter told 17News she is satisfied with Glenwood's handling of the situation.
    The reason CPR wasn't given is because it's the general policy of the facility to do nothing until medical help arrives. That's what all the stories on it say.

    Jeffrey Toomer, executive director at Glenwood, told Channel 17's Kelsey Thomas the actions were consistent with company policy: Staff does not attempt CPR in the independent living facility.

    Unlike the skilled nursing facility and assisted living facility, the independent section does not offer medical help, he said, and its clients know that.

    He refused to speak specifically about Tuesday's incident, declining to explain why there apparently was a nurse present when Bayless collapsed.

    He refused to provide a copy of Glenwood's policy.

    He did provide a written statement. It said:

    "First and foremost, we extend our deepest sympathies and condolences to this individual's family on the passing of their loved one.

    "We also appreciate the assistance of emergency personnel who arrived immediately to assist in rendering first aid.

    "In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community, our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives.

    "That is the protocol we followed.

    "As with any incident involving a resident, we will conduct a thorough internal review of this matter, but we have no further comments at this time."
    Toomer told 17 News that is the policy of Glenwood Gardens that staff does not attempt CPR. Toomer said residents are made aware of this policy when they move into the building.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    She was 87 and apparently did *not* have a DNR (contrary to some reports).

    "Bayless's daughter, a nurse herself, confirmed that her mother did not have a do-not-resuscitate order, but said she was satisfied with the way Glenwood handled the situation"

    Dramatic 911 tape reveals dispatcher
    Nurse refuses to give CPR: 'Not at this time,' woman dies - San Diego Top News | Examiner.com
    That same article says;




    "But no one did, until the fire department arrived. Bayless died at Mercy Southwest Hospital. "

    Since the woman died at the hospital, she didn't even need CPR. So the 911 operator could have just been giving incompetent and even life threatening advice/demands.

    Not everyone who collapses needs CPR. Sometimes people with best intentions actually HURT someone by trying to help them.

    A fella we know has a horrific scar on his leg when in a motorcycle accident people rushed over holding him down thinking he might have a back injury and shouldn't move - as he screamed! What he was screaming was "GET AWAY FROM ME!" because the hot tailpipe was on his leg. The ONLY injury he suffered was massive 3rd degree burns to his leg because of those do-gooders.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    The call was made likely because the nurse also is required to do so by her employer.

    I just don't know enough about the situation to make any kind of real judgment. Naturally, we all want to fight for life as long as possible or feasible but the dispassion and poor decisions being shown by others sometimes is frightening, to save or let go.
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