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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    And therefore you would not perform CPR.
    You never know--I am unpredictable that way.....I might just hit you with the defibrillator just for the fun of it too.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    This woman was breathing and no one ever checked her pulse.
    Breathing? Not really... 5-6 minutes into the call the nurse says that the woman has taken three breaths. That's 2.5 minutes between breaths. If you think that qualifies as breathing, have someone sit on your chest, take a breath, wait for 2.5 minutes, then (if by some miracle you're still conscious) take another breath, then wait another 2.5 minutes.

    Besides, if you've been trained in CPR and are waiting 2.5 minutes at a time to see if someone might take a shallow breath before you go to work, you're simply doing it wrong.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    The compressions are more important than the breathing component of CPR these days for those who learned CPR back in the Pre-Xbox Era of Civilization. THe protocols have been changed. There is also some indication that performing the Heimlich on a drowned person before starting CPR helps too.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

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    Breathing? Not really...
    You don't perform CPR on someone who's breathing, even just a little. You give them oxygen. You sure as hell don't perform chest compressions on someone with a pulse.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, since she didn't die until much later, the obvious answer doesn't apply here. The EMTs were obviously able to resuscitate her.

    But that highlights another piece of missing info - did the EMTs administer CPR?
    Not missing. The fire department arrived and having verified no DNR, immediately began CPR.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    You don't perform CPR on someone who's breathing, even just a little.
    Again, if you're waiting 2.5 minutes to see if someone might take a breath, you're doing it wrong.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, if you're waiting 2.5 minutes to see if someone might take a breath, you're doing it wrong.
    Didn't you listen to the call? She didn't have to wait 2.5 minutes.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Didn't you listen to the call? She didn't have to wait 2.5 minutes.
    Yes I did - she waited 7 minutes and didn't much care what state the woman was in. Her only concern was whether or not the correct policy was being followed.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Not missing. The fire department arrived and having verified no DNR, immediately began CPR.
    I'm not seeing that info in any of the reporting.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Well, maybe it's just me, but when I'm 86, and a similar event happens to me, I want that nurse to be there, and I want her to do the same thing- well except for the calling 911 part. I don't want to have my chest pounded on, and I don't want to live on a ventilator with brain damage until someone who loves me has the sense to let me go.
    "God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
    -C G Jung

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