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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You "managed" to spend some time with her on the weekends? Gee, what a sacrifice!!
    Indeed, over 400 miles roundtrip paid for by myself. Of course, we're talking about the difference between a teenager who knows that his loved one is where she should be and not exposed to danger and adults who knowingly put their loved ones in danger to make their own lives more convenient.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I bet you slept just fine.After all, it's not as if *you* had anything to worry about
    I was comfortable in the knowledge that she was well taken care of and not in the clutches of a for-profit industry with a "nurse" who does nothing but loom over residents, and complain about 911 operators, as they die in agony on the floor. Or like the poor woman at Life Care Centers of America Inc who was basically put on the rack for 84 minutes. Or the poor lady at Eureka Healthcare who choked to death on her dinner because the for-profit institution cut staff to increase profits and there was no one around to help her. Etc. For-profit healthcare, at any level, is a bad idea. Behold the fruits.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Indeed, over 400 miles roundtrip paid for by myself. Of course, we're talking about the difference between a teenager who knows that his loved one is where she should be and not exposed to danger and adults who knowingly put their loved ones in danger to make their own lives more convenient.
    WOW!!! You traveled 400 miles, and paid for it. I'm sure that was a life-altering burden for you

    And yes, I realize that a child with no burden of their own would have no trouble sleeping knowing that the work of providing 24 hr/day care was being provided by someone else.

    I was comfortable in the knowledge that she was well taken care of and not in the clutches of a for-profit industry with a "nurse" who does nothing but loom over residents, and complain about 911 operators, as they die in agony on the floor. Or like the poor woman at Life Care Centers of America Inc who was basically put on the rack for 84 minutes. Or the poor lady at Eureka Healthcare who choked to death on her dinner because the for-profit institution cut staff to increase profits and there was no one around to help her. Etc.
    And I understand that while your family member descended into the hell of dementia, you were comfortable. And that's all that matters.

    No need to worry yourself about what it was like for the grandparent you dumped them on. All you need to worry about is judging people making the hard decisions you never faced while pursuing your own interests.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    WOW!!! You traveled 400 miles, and paid for it. I'm sure that was a life-altering burden for you. And yes, I realize that a child with no burden of their own would have no trouble sleeping knowing that the work of providing 24 hr/day care was being provided
    I've never considered it a burden, difficult to maintain on a weekly basis, but not a burden. I've certainly never considered or insinuated that my parents are a burden, unlike some people. Caring for your parents in their old age is a moral responsibility not a burden so don't boo-hoo to me about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No need to worry yourself about what it was like for the grandparent you dumped them on. All you need to worry about is judging people making the hard decisions you never faced while pursuing your own interests.
    My grandmother never considered it a burden either; its what she wanted and acknowledged as her moral responsibility. These decisions are only difficult if you make the wrong ones. I think people have a natural sense of guilt about it because they know, in the vast majority of cases, they're not doing the right thing. Maybe the nurse in this case will too but I have no such expectation for the company's president or the director of this facility. Its par for the course in a for-profit system. They value money more than the life of their residents; which is why they didn't help her.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I've never considered it a burden, difficult to maintain on a weekly basis, but not a burden. I've certainly never considered or insinuated that my parents are a burden, unlike some people. Caring for your parents in their old age is a moral responsibility not a burden so don't boo-hoo to me about it.
    I'm not surprised you didn't consider it a burden. After all, it's not like you had to do the difficult work. You just dumped them on your grandparent.

    My grandmother never considered it a burden either; its what she wanted and acknowledged as her moral responsibility. These decisions are only difficult if you make the wrong ones. I think people have a natural sense of guilt about it because they know, in the vast majority of cases, they're not doing the right thing. Maybe the nurse in this case will too but I have no such expectation for the company's president or the director of this facility. Its par for the course in a for-profit system. They value money more than the life of their residents; which is why they didn't help her.
    And I'm sure your grandmother confided her adult responsibilities to you, her grandchild. After all, that's what grandparents do, right? They don't ask their children to quit their jobs, or their grandchildren to drop out of college, because neither your parents nor you have any moral responsibility to care for your own family members. It's all on grandma, so there's no reason why you should lose any sleep while your great-grandparents mind slowly deteriorates. I'm sure that was comfortable experience for them, you know with the loss of memory and functioning bowels that always accompanies dementia.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    None of my family have ever been dumped at a nursing home. Hire a home nurse Instead of paying a for-profit nursing home (oddly enough the worst offenders); even if it is just for the hours you need to sleep or work. Few elderly people actually need to be in a nursing home. If people actually cared about the quality of care and facilities they're exposing their loved ones to then the system wouldn't be as bad as it is today; but they don't and the sad reality is that most don't even notice until something unfortunate happens. When you're providing care from home; you control the environment.
    You really don't know what you are talking about. A "home nurse" is not there 24/7 and few people can afford a full time "home nurse" - since even at just $15 an hour that would cost over $10,000 per month, nor does a home nurse provide any age similar companionship. Having a nurse visit each day leaves the elderly person alone nearly a majority of the time.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The woman was 86 and had a DNR (Do not resucessitate).

    Wrong.

    according to CBS News and KGET-TV, the patient did not have a do-not-resuscitate order.

    Calif. Retirement Home Investigated, Nurse Refused CPR To Dying Woman | wusa9.com
    Just guessing here?
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No links? Just how long was this old woman supposed to live? 92? 103? Do you have any idea what her medical condition was? Many people die younger than 86. Not everyone that dies was "abandoned" or "mistreated".
    I'd be interested in knowing if the poster quoted supports euthanasia. I seem to see many people who are outraged at this type of situation, also fully throw their support behind killing old people.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Only if you are a layperson. The guidelines clearly state that a medical professional may check for a pulse prior to administering CPR as they are trained to detect it.
    Yes, and the woman in question was not actually a nurse or any other kind of health care worker, so the layperson rule applies to her.

    (Actually, they teach that rule to health care workers, too.)

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Please site. I can't find anything that contradicts first reports.
    "It was later revealed that Ms Bayless had no Do Not Resuscitate form on file."
    Lorraine Bayless: Officials at Glenwood Gardens say staffer who denied CPR was NOT a nurse | Mail Online

    "Reports identify her at Lorraine Bayless and confirm she did not have a do-not-resuscitate order. "
    Dramatic 911 tape reveals dispatcher

    "News reports out of California identified the patient as Lorraine Bayless, who reportedly never put herself under do-not-resuscitate orders."
    California CPR case shines light on what retirement facilities offer - KansasCity.com

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Manta View Post
    I think she did the right thing, call me paranoid. I know when I work at an account here, we are not allowed to render anything aside from basic are you OK? And call for paramedics. Reason being if someone is hurt on your property even though I am protected, the property is not.
    If living in a senior community puts you at greater risk of not receiving medical assistance, that's a huge problem. Makes you wonder why the people in that community are shelling out what are no doubt exhorbitant costs to live there. Will be interesting to see if they decide to do anything after the criminal investigation concludes.

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