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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, it's not. Repeating it doesn't make it any less untrue.
    Riiight. I'd be interested to see what you'd call dumping an elderly person into a system known and documented to be primarily dangerous, abusive, and even deadly. When you cede your responsibility to care for and provide assistance to someone then you are, by definition, abandoning.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Riiight. I'd be interested to see what you'd call dumping an elderly person into a system known and documented to be primarily dangerous, abusive, and even deadly. When you cede care and assistance to someone else you are, by definition, abandoning.
    Spending 16 hours a day in a nursing home is not abandoning someone.

    People have to sleep.

    And many people have to work. We don't all have retired grandparents to dump our problems on
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Riiight. I'd be interested to see what you'd call dumping an elderly person into a system known and documented to be primarily dangerous, abusive, and even deadly. When you cede care and assistance to someone else you are, by definition, abandoning.
    So what is your own first-hand experience? Have you had to make decisions for an elderly or otherwise infirm family member? Do you have a way to fix the system so as to better care for your family member right now? What is your solution?

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Note: Railing against the fates isn't an option, and you also, unless you are fabulously wealthy, don't have a magic wand. In the here-and-now, what's your solution?

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If you don't feed it, it will go away.
    I'm just now realizing what you meant.

    Better late than never
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Spending 16 hours a day in a nursing home is not abandoning someone. People have to sleep.
    It surprises me than anyone can sleep knowing that they've put a loved a one in one of those places but you must have a stronger constitution than I.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It surprises me than anyone can sleep knowing that they've put a loved a one in one of those places but you must have a stronger constitution than I.
    So what did *you* do when your great-grandparent had Alzheimers'...that is, aside from dumping them on your granparents?
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    So what is your own first-hand experience? Have you had to make decisions for an elderly or otherwise infirm family member? Do you have a way to fix the system so as to better care for your family member right now? What is your solution?
    None of my family have ever been dumped at a nursing home. Hire a home nurse Instead of paying a for-profit nursing home (oddly enough the worst offenders); even if it is just for the hours you need to sleep or work. Few elderly people actually need to be in a nursing home. If people actually cared about the quality of care and facilities they're exposing their loved ones to then the system wouldn't be as bad as it is today; but they don't and the sad reality is that most don't even notice until something unfortunate happens. When you're providing care from home; you control the environment.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So what did *you* do when your great-grandparent had Alzheimers'...that is, aside from dumping them on your granparents?
    I was still in high school and they lived a state away but I managed to visit on the weekends and spend time with her. She certainly wasn't dumped on my grandparents; she'd lived with them for many years before this and preferred to remain there (except when she thought FDR was President and had to go rivet bombers ). She was very well taken care of there until the day she died. I certainly didn't dump her into a dangerous, abusive, and deadly for-profit environment out of a sense of inconvenience.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I was still in high school and they lived a state away but I managed to visit on the weekends and spend time with her. She certainly wasn't dumped on my grandparents; she'd lived with them for many years before this and preferred to remain there (except when she thought FDR was President and had to go rivet bombers ). She was very well taken care of there until the day she died. I certainly didn't dump her into a dangerous, abusive, and deadly for-profit environment out of a sense of inconvenience.
    You "managed" to spend some time with her on the weekends?

    Gee, what a sacrifice!!

    I bet you slept just fine.

    After all, it's not as if *you* had anything to worry about
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