Page 18 of 27 FirstFirst ... 81617181920 ... LastLast
Results 171 to 180 of 262

Thread: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

  1. #171
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,953

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Sure it does, just goes to show that people are falling all over themselves to abandon their parents to a horrendous fate in these facilities.
    No.

    I do appreciate your sentiments and wonder about their context. Do you have an elderly parent living or approaching living in an assisted-living facility?

    Do you understand the "levels of care" and their progressive nature?

    Or are you at this point a theorist?

  2. #172
    Professor
    Capster78's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    Florida
    Last Seen
    08-24-15 @ 02:35 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    2,253

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    911 operators are telephone receptionists and nothing else. They have no authority and nothing they say offers any protection.

    Setting aside an DNR agreement, CPR on an 86 year old woman could easily be lethal. Show me medical material that CPR in that situation was correct. Was the 911 operator a licensed doctor? Seems you think so.
    Kind of like the 911 operator in the Travon Martin case was not a police officer, so he was in no position to tell Zimmerman to stop following the teen.
    - There was never a good war, or a bad peace.
    - Idealistically, everything should work as you planed it to. Realistically, it depends on how idealistic you are as to the measure of success.
    - Better to be a pessimist before, and an optimist afterwords.

  3. #173
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,488

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No. I do appreciate your sentiments and wonder about their context. Do you have an elderly parent living or approaching living in an assisted-living facility?
    No, but I certainly would not abandon my parents in one of those facilities given the facts I mentioned in post #165. I find such practices to be utterly shameful on moral grounds. The elderly are statistically very likely to be subjected either to abuse, negligence, squalid conditions, or some combination of the three in these places so I'll never understand why anyone would toss them in. My great grandmother had Alzheimer's disease and she lived with my grandmother until the end. The elderly are much better off at home surrounded by the people they love in these instances than around strangers who force-feed them pills to incapacitate them until they finally die alone.

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Do you understand the "levels of care" and their progressive nature? Or are you at this point a theorist?
    I do.
    Last edited by Napoleon; 03-05-13 at 01:21 AM.

  4. #174
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,953

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    I'm not sure you understand the realities or what "abandonment" means first-hand. Do you? Have you faced this yourself? I mean the reality of having skilled-nursing in your home and the reality, despite your best efforts, of having to sleep sometimes?

  5. #175
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,488

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I'm not sure you understand the realities or what "abandonment" means first-hand. Do you? Have you faced this yourself? I mean the reality of having skilled-nursing in your home and the reality, despite your best efforts, of having to sleep sometimes?
    No, and no one ever said it would be easy or convenient but those issues are nothing compared to what the elderly face in these facilities. Knowing that the vast majority of these institutions represent an affront to human dignity is enough to dissuade me from ever accepting them as a viable option. The doping and physical abuse aside, 94% don't even meet basic health and safety codes, 30% are so understaffed that they spend less than 12 minutes a day with their patients and residents, and 54% less than two hours! If you're concerned about just taking the time for a few winks then how do you feel about 22 hours of zero interaction, oversight, or care surrounded by health and safety code violations?
    Last edited by Napoleon; 03-05-13 at 01:33 AM.

  6. #176
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    No, and no one ever said it would be easy or convenient but those issues are nothing compared to what the elderly face in these facilities. Knowing that the vast majority of these institutions represent an affront to human dignity is enough to dissuade me from ever accepting them as a viable option. The doping and physical abuse aside, 94% don't even meet basic health and safety codes, 30% are so understaffed that they spend less than 12 minutes a day with their patients and residents, and 54% less than two hours! If you're concerned about just taking the time for a few winks then how do you feel about 22 hours of zero interaction, oversight, or care surrounded by health and safety code violations?
    Placing someone in a nursing home does not mean abandoning them. It's not like a prison where you can only visit for a few minutes, once a week.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

  7. #177
    Guru

    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Location
    Columbus, OH
    Last Seen
    Today @ 10:46 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    4,488

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Placing someone in a nursing home does not mean abandoning them. It's not like a prison where you can only visit for a few minutes, once a week.
    If you dump someone in a nursing home knowing those facts then you are abandoning them. Its an attempt to absolve oneself of your obligations to help and provide for your parents in their time of need; mostly because they've become inconvenient.

  8. #178
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,953

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    No, and no one ever said it would be easy or convenient but those issues are nothing compared to what the elderly face in these facilities. Knowing that the vast majority of these institutions represent an affront to human dignity is enough to dissuade me from ever accepting them as a viable option. The doping and physical abuse aside, 94% don't even meet basic health and safety codes, 30% are so understaffed that they spend less than 12 minutes a day with their patients and residents, and 54% less than two hours! If you're concerned about just taking the time for a few winks then how do you feel about 22 hours of zero interaction, oversight, or care surrounded by health and safety code violations?
    I feel like I've already had to consider all this and to live with the consequences.

    I feel like you have a very good heart and will to do right but that you also haven't lived what you're waxing indignant about. I fervently hope that there are more young folks out there asking the questions that you do and-far more important--taking action to make a difference.

    In the meantime, please don't presume to preach to me about what I have already lived. And get back to me when you have a "viable option" that is a real solution to a real and growing problem.

  9. #179
    Global Moderator
    Moderator

    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    36,953

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Placing someone in a nursing home does not mean abandoning them. It's not like a prison where you can only visit for a few minutes, once a week.
    And it's not as if there sometimes isn't another choice.

  10. #180
    Sage
    sangha's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Lower Hudson Valley, NY
    Last Seen
    09-17-17 @ 05:48 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    59,990

    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    If you dump someone in a nursing home knowing those facts then you are abandoning them. Its an attempt to absolve oneself of your obligations to help and provide for your parents in their time of need; mostly because they've become inconvenient.
    No, it's not

    Repeating it doesn't make it any less untrue.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

Page 18 of 27 FirstFirst ... 81617181920 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •