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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    It doesn't matter. The nurse is bound my medical ethics. From the Code of Ethics for Nurses and published by the American Nursing Society:

    "The nurse should provide interventions to relieve pain and other symptoms in the dying patient even when those interventions entail risks of hastening death. However, nurses may not act with the sole intent of ending the patient's life even though such action may be motivated by compassion, respect for patient autonomy and quality of life considerations."

    That nurse did ZERO to ease that woman's suffering. Her license should be suspended at best. She doesn't need it to be a fly on the wall anyway.
    That's baloney. A nurse is not bound to disregard a DNR. In fact, she is bound to honor it.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Welcome to the United States of Litigation.

    First the news once again blew the original story. The person who refused to do CPR was not a nurse.
    "The staffer was identified today as a resident services director, not a nurse "Refusal to Give CPR to Elderly Woman Probed by Police - ABC News

    "In the event of a health emergency at this independent living community, our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait with the individual needing attention until such personnel arrives. That is the protocol we followed," Jeffrey Toomer said in a statement issued to ABC News.

    Seems the known policy was followed.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    That's baloney. A nurse is not bound to disregard a DNR. In fact, she is bound to honor it.
    Once again, as reported by CBS, there was no DNR order and if you don't like the Code of Ethics for Nurses then you'll have to take it up with the American Nurses Association.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Indeed, this is about medical ethics and the nurse clearly has none.
    No.

    No. She was constrained by legal obligations. A terrible situation, to be sure, which is why this has made the news (plus audio's "Not at this time"). Maggie noted the facility's DNR policy, and the patient's daughter has affirmed this in what she has said following her mother's death.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    Once again, as reported by CBS, there was no DNR order and if you don't like the Code of Ethics for Nurses then you'll have to take it up with the American Nurses Association.
    Hello! The facility has a no-CPR policy that all residents are aware of and still chose, even pay, to live there. The nurse was bound by contract not so different than DNR, entered into with informed consent by residents.

    Have you been listening to replays of radio news from today? This no-CPR deal is old news now.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    No. No. She was constrained by legal obligations. A terrible situation, to be sure, which is why this has made the news (plus audio's "Not at this time"). Maggie noted the facility's DNR policy, and the patient's daughter has affirmed this in what she has said following her mother's death.
    She was not constrained by legal obligations. As reported, there was no DNR order on file for this woman and California has a Good Samaritan law. Also the fact that no one has ever been successfully sued for administering CPR.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there. Nursing homes are often viewed as death traps and this is one reason why.
    I completely disagree with your characterization of nursing homes (and by implication, assisted living centers, etc). In some cases, children have no choice. If your parent is demented, incontinent, bed-ridden, etc it can be impossible to care for them at home. In addition, depending on the circumstances, these places can provide the patient with a level of socializing they could not get anywhere else.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    She was not constrained by legal obligations.
    Yes, she was!

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I'm going to go with the American Heart Association on this one. BTW - The nurse should have checked her pulse. What exactly is the function of this nurse anyway?
    You apparently don't know what the AHA's current recommendations for CPR are. You don't check the pulse any more before starting CPR. You check breathing and responsiveness:

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse? I'm also wondering, whats the point in having a nursing staff if they're only allowed to do what anyone off the street could do?
    Depending on the circumstances, medicare will pay for a nursing home, but not enough to pay for round the clock in the home.
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