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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there.
    I don't know about that. Some elderly people are very stubborn and don't want any help at all.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

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    Oh, I'm not a pro on that kind of stuff. I am strictly in the administrative side of health care.
    Still, did you listen to the whole thing? The people on the phone were playing hot potato with it because nobody wanted to be responsible....and they were all eminently successful in that endeavor. The lack of respect for a fellow human being was...well...it would have been disgusting but it wasn't even present!

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    I don't know about that. Some elderly people are very stubborn and don't want any help at all.
    True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse? I'm also wondering, whats the point in having a nursing staff if they're only allowed to do what anyone off the street could do?

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse?
    I wouldn't know that either. I type doctor reports, like operative notes, discharge summaries, history and physical examinations, stuff like that. I'm not into billing and coding or anything like that. Just transcription.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Still, did you listen to the whole thing? The people on the phone were playing hot potato with it because nobody wanted to be responsible....and they were all eminently successful in that endeavor. The lack of respect for a fellow human being was...well...it would have been disgusting but it wasn't even present!
    I'll go listen now.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.
    No ****? I thought we were talking about hamsters

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.
    I can't listen to this because it requires me to install something. But I got the gist of it from reading a transcript that someone else posted anyway, and I agree that they should definitely change this policy. It's a terrible policy if they have a nurse on site and don't allow her to perform CPR.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    True, but I've never met an elderly person who would rather be in a place like that than at home. Since you're in the administrative field of healthcare; Is it more expensive to put someone in a (non) nursing home than to hire a home nurse? I'm also wondering, whats the point in having a nursing staff if they're only allowed to do what anyone off the street could do?
    Assisted living facilities are middle ground residences. They are for the elderly who really shouldn't be home alone - plus it also often felt they need the companionship of other people their age. Such homes assure the elderly have meals (elderly often otherwise just stop eating), someone to call 911 if they fall. Someone to keep them from just wandering off etc.

    Home nurses aren't 24/7. Even if so, few actually become "friends" and it only a professional relationship. Elderly usually do not want to leave their home. But often it is just too dangerous to not do so = particularly when their spouse dies and that elderly person is alone.

    If the staff of assisted living facilities go beyond the basics, they cross a very dangerous line not only legally, but also towards potential abuse and "practicing medicine without a license." In a medical situations they are to call 911. That's what that nurse did. The 911 operator wanted to her specifically do what she - and everyone - there had been instructed to do. She was correct to refuse to do so.

    It would be little different than a cop deciding procedure and laws are wrong and go maverick renegade thinking it best.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    My grandmother is an elderly housing place. She is almost 90 years old and prefers to live independently. Her own home got to be too much for her, and it was too big, so she chose to move to independent elderly housing. I'm not even sure if they have a nurse on site.

    My grandmother is old but she is very independent and can still get around and still has her wits about her. She's really quite amazing.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Napoleon View Post
    I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there. Nursing homes are often viewed as death traps and this is one reason why.
    WRONG. The elderly woman, Ms. Bayless, had signed a DNR order, had also signed consent to the "no on site medical care" provisions of the facility and even her own daughter, a nurse, agreed that proper care was given to her mother. The facility has different sections that offer different levels of care, the independednt living portion, her "home" does not provide any medical care; their policy is to call 911 for emergency assistance.

    Nursing home staff defend not giving dying resident CPR as she had a DNR | Mail Online

    Nurse refuses to perform CPR on dying woman
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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