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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That was some years ago.
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    It is what YOU decide because YOU bear the consequences.
    Actually, you don't under the law. There has never been a single case of anyone being successfully sued for performing CPR.

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    That the nurse didn't get all hysterical, emotional or try to prove herself up to the 911 operator doesn't mean there is anything bad about her at all. She called 911 so an ambulance would come. Instead, the 911 operator decided to argue with her - a licensed nurse which the 911 operator isn't.
    I'd rather have the 9/11 operator around than a worthless "nurse" with her thumbs up her backside complaining about how stressful it is to call 911.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    This is not the first time I have read a sensational anecdote that you have posted. I dont believe a word of it

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    Here is another example of someone - and non-medical - ignoring 911 demanding a medical accident. A woman in the 9th month of pregnancy went into a "frank breech" spontaneous birth. That means upside down and backwards - what used to be thought of as an impossible natural birth for a lay person. The husband got his wife on her hands and knees, called 911 with the address and to get an ambulance out.

    His wife begging him to save their baby even at her risk. He had "read the books." Rather than getting an ambulance rolling, the 911 operator - and then even a nurse - told him over and over - after he had freed up the other leg "to slowly but carefully while pulling firmly twist out the baby" .... to save the mother. He said he just dropped the phone on the floor because he knew what they were saying and what it mean. Kill the baby - that'd break it's neck - to save the mother.

    Instead, he carefully managed out one arm, then the other, and then slipped the baby's jaw out - the baby cold and lifeless. To not tell the mother the baby was dead, he did CPS and mouth to mouth for over a quarter hour - hoping the ambulance would arrive. The ambulance went to the right address - but in the wrong neighboring suburban city.

    When the ambulance finally did arrive about 45 minutes after the call, the mother was nursing her living baby who did revive, with the mother not so much as torn and the baby just fine. A midwife and her trainee aid also had arrive after this, but before the ambulance and EMT. They told the EMTs "thanks for coming, but we're all just fine" and wouldn't even go to the hospital with the licensed midwife and an aid now there.

    That was some years ago. Since then, they have learned that at birth babies can go well beyond the 4 minute mark in trauma - almost like going into hybernation. And that frank breech births can be continued naturally if no instant C-section possible - and that there is almost always the extra time allowed due to the nature of new babies to go longer than 4 minutes in trauma at birth without brain damage.

    And, if he had twisted out the baby killing her and then he and his wife learned this a few years later, they would then forever have to live with having needlessly killed that new baby just because someone else said to - though in their hearts had felt that was wrong at the time.

    ULTIMATELY, it is not what 911 says, not what nurses say and even doctors say. It is what YOU decide because YOU bear the consequences.

    That the nurse didn't get all hysterical, emotional or try to prove herself up to the 911 operator doesn't mean there is anything bad about her at all. She called 911 so an ambulance would come. Instead, the 911 operator decided to argue with her - a licensed nurse which the 911 operator isn't.
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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    That same article says;




    "But no one did, until the fire department arrived. Bayless died at Mercy Southwest Hospital. "

    Since the woman died at the hospital, she didn't even need CPR. So the 911 operator could have just been giving incompetent and even life threatening advice/demands.

    Not everyone who collapses needs CPR. Sometimes people with best intentions actually HURT someone by trying to help them.

    A fella we know has a horrific scar on his leg when in a motorcycle accident people rushed over holding him down thinking he might have a back injury and shouldn't move - as he screamed! What he was screaming was "GET AWAY FROM ME!" because the hot tailpipe was on his leg. The ONLY injury he suffered was massive 3rd degree burns to his leg because of those do-gooders.
    Maybe I missed something in the story. There WAS a medical professional on the scene: an RN. And the RN was indicating the only reason she wouldn’t assist was because of her employer’s rules, not for any medical reason.

    If there was a DNR the Nurse did the right thing. If the elderly woman indicated at the last minute she didn’t want help, the RN did the right thing. But if that wasn’t the case, and the RN could have helped her and didn’t because of her employer’s rules, I say she was in the wrong. Nurses also take an oath.

    A medical professional’s duty should be to the patient before the employer. Just as a cop who is moonlighting as a security guard is still first and foremost a cop, even when on the other employer’s clock. I realize in today’s money grubbing society that may sound naïve, but it is what I believe. But there may be more to this story that nullifies everything I just said.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Y'know....I just listened to the whole call - 23ABC News - Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield refuses CPR, releases statement on policy and resident's death - Bakersfield News, Bakersfield, California News & Bakersfield News Local Headlines - KERO TurnTo23 - Folks, I just can't get past this. I understand all the "It'll do more harm than good." and the "It's her wishes, it's illegal to violate a DNR" but you know what....IT'S A PERSON THERE!! The whole thing sounded like a cluster**** and all I can say is that I hope that these knuckleheads get exactly the same treatment when their time comes.
    Is this only a home for patients who are a DNR status? If so, DNR means do not resuscitate, and that is a patient's God-given choice IMO.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

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    Is this only a home for patients who are a DNR status? If so, DNR means do not resuscitate, and that is a patient's God-given choice IMO.
    CBS News has been told the elderly woman in this case did not have a "do not resuscitate" order on file.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Is this only a home for patients who are a DNR status? If so, DNR means do not resuscitate, and that is a patient's God-given choice IMO.
    I don't know about the DNR. The incident report at the link shows that no DNR was present and that EMT's performed CPR. If you listen to the call....well, you're the pro, you tell me how much of a mess that was.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    So it's not even a nursing home but an independent living facility. Well, they really should change that policy. That's an awful policy. It must have something to do with trying to avoid lawsuits or something.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    I don't know about the DNR. The incident report at the link shows that no DNR was present and that EMT's performed CPR. If you listen to the call....well, you're the pro, you tell me how much of a mess that was.
    Oh, I'm not a pro on that kind of stuff. I am strictly in the administrative side of health care.

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    Re: Calif. woman dies after nurse refuses to perform CPR

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So it's not even a nursing home but an independent living facility. Well, they really should change that policy. That's an awful policy....
    I completely agree and, because this woman did not sign a DNR order, I have to assume that she would have wanted to be saved. Places like this are where uncaring children ship their parents to die. No elderly person in their right mind would choose to live there. Nursing homes are often viewed as death traps and this is one reason why.

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