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'Racial slurs' aimed at wife draw McConnell's ire

Black Manta said:
Don't blow smoke
up our asses. Why don't you list the real racist sites similar to stormfront...

Tribu Ka, Génération Kémi Séba
The Nation of Islam
The Nation of Yahweh
Ku Klux Klan
The new Black Panther party
Kach
The Nubian moor Nation
The Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ
La Raza
Jewish National Front
American Militant Extremists
Most gangs be they Black, Hispanic or white.

Free Republic. :roll:
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Excellent post. That's actual racism, not the manufactured narrative of the "evil white GOP" hatin on everyone with brown skin.
 
tererun said:
First let us help by defining dixiecrat.
Dixiecrat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you are complaining that the democrats have become the heroes of states rights, segregation, and the heroes of the southern states? You are trying to tell us the party that ran a black man for president wants segregation? You are trying to tell us that the democrats who are championing laws that single out southern states for extra voting regulations are the heroes of southern state rights? The democrats are the heroes of the southern states who are all red?

Just wow! Can you explain to us how you came to such a conclusion? Is there some justification there, or did you just screw up big time?
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Don't use Wiki as a source, chances are you wrote that definition, or you and the author agree.

A Democrat by any other name is still a Democrat, they still push policies that enable dependence, poverty and crime.

What's the unemployment rate for blacks mow ? Young black men ? Whats the crime rate in cities like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans ?

Cities exclusively run ny Democrats for decades.

Nothings changed with the exception of the overt expressions of hate.
 
Surtr said:
Racism: America's greatest lol factory.

Want to end any debate no matter how crucial, or how insignificant? Play the race card. Hoards of people will trample kittens and babies to get to the podium so they can either make accusations of racism, or adamantly defend against said accusations. It's in the top three of dumbest ****ing political devices in this nation.
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I have come to observe over the last 4 years that many people use the term racist or bigot to some one who has a different political point of view, that is against one or more of the presidents policies or initiatives. In so using these terms as such, they have become degraded and lack the sting these terms once had.
 
Black Manta said:
Well looks like we scream racism about Republicans or conservatives in general are showing their true colors...

WINCHESTER, Kentucky (AP) — Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell lambasted a liberal group on Saturday for criticizing the Asian heritage of his wife, former Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, calling its Twitter messages "racial slurs" and "the ultimate outrage." - [/FONT][/COLOR]http://www.usatoday....+usatoday-NewsTopStories+(News+-+Top+Stories)
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I noticed that the "Volunteer" got it wrong. All the jobs he was talking about is going to Communist Red China, not Taiwan where McConnell wife is from. Taiwan use to be known as Nationalist China or the ROC, Republic of China.
 
Perotista said:
I noticed that the "Volunteer" got it wrong. All the jobs he was talking about is going to Communist Red China, not Taiwan where McConnell wife is from. Taiwan use to be known as Nationalist China or the ROC, Republic of China.
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I did not know that, thanks for the info.

I was just making a point about how to many libs constantly scream "racism" when it is a: not racism or b: try to make blanket statements about "all conservative" etc.
 
tererun said:
First let us help by defining dixiecrat. Dixiecrat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you are complaining that the democrats have become the heroes of states rights, segregation, and the heroes of the southern states? You are trying to tell us the party that ran a black man for president wants segregation? You are trying to tell us that the democrats who are championing laws that single out southern states for extra voting regulations are the heroes of southern state rights? The democrats are the heroes of the southern states who are all red?

Just wow! Can you explain to us how you came to such a conclusion? Is there some justification there, or did you just screw up big time?
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Most of the old, 1950 and on old Jim Crowe Dixicrats or Democrats, whatever you want to called remain loyal Democrats until they died or retired from the world of politics except only a handful who switched parties. Even that handful has now departed the scene. What you have is a clash of political ideology.

You have the south and the plain state republicans that care about individual rights, these people can be defined as caring about people as individuals and not so much about group rights. Then you have the democrats of the northeast and west that care about group security, they can be defined as to being indifferent about the individual but genuinely care about the well being of groups. So I would suppose the bottom line is one party is interest in individual rights, the other interested in group rights.
 
Black Manta said:
I did not know that, thanks for the info.

I was just making a point about how to many libs constantly scream "racism" when it is a: not racism or b: try to make blanket statements about "all conservative" etc.
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I'm old enough to remember these things. Mao in 1948 drove Chaing Kai-shek and his nationalist out of mainland China. He set up his new government on the Island of Taiwan which became known as the Republic of China leaving the mainland to Mao and his communist. In fact Taiwan or the ROC held one of the seats in the UN security council until I think it was Jimmy Carter who turn it over to Red China.
 
Black Manta said:
Well looks like we scream racism about Republicans or conservatives in general are showing their true colors...

WINCHESTER, Kentucky (AP) — Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell lambasted a liberal group on Saturday for criticizing the Asian heritage of his wife, former Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, calling its Twitter messages "racial slurs" and "the ultimate outrage." - [/FONT][/COLOR]http://www.usatoday....+usatoday-NewsTopStories+(News+-+Top+Stories)
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It's a shame that he didn't show outrage at the birthers.
 
Nice to see Mitchie being such a wining child, and grasping desperately for a reason to throw the race card.
 
Carleen said:
It's a shame that he didn't show outrage at the birthers.
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Why? It was a conspiracy theory, not racism. So that would make absolutely no sense.
 
Black Manta said:
Why? It was a conspiracy theory, not racism. So that would make absolutely no sense.
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I disagree. It definitely was and is racism and should have been denounced by someone of his stature in the republican party.
 
Perotista said:
Most of the old, 1950 and on old Jim Crowe Dixicrats or Democrats, whatever you want to called remain loyal Democrats until they died or retired from the world of politics except only a handful who switched parties. Even that handful has now departed the scene. What you have is a clash of political ideology.

You have the south and the plain state republicans that care about individual rights, these people can be defined as caring about people as individuals and not so much about group rights. Then you have the democrats of the northeast and west that care about group security, they can be defined as to being indifferent about the individual but genuinely care about the well being of groups. So I would suppose the bottom line is one party is interest in individual rights, the other interested in group rights.
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Group rights aka voting blocs.
 
Carleen said:
I disagree. It definitely was and is racism and should have been denounced by someone of his stature in the republican party.
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Racism? Raising the question as to whether he is eligible to seek the Presidency of the United States is racism?

That's something of a stretch.
 
We're all going to Hell in a little rubber boat.

It's really quite sad.
 
Black Manta said:
I did not know that, thanks for the info.

I was just making a point about how to many libs constantly scream "racism" when it is a: not racism or b: try to make blanket statements about "all conservative" etc.
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Actually I would not consider this racism either. Just stupid. But then again I do not run around calling any one racist on either side.

And you just admited to doing exactly what I said you where doing, and said you where not doing a few posts ago. It would be nice if more people where actually concerned about race beyond blaming the other side.
 
Fenton said:
Don't use Wiki as a source, chances are you wrote that definition, or you and the author agree.

A Democrat by any other name is still a Democrat, they still push policies that enable dependence, poverty and crime.

What's the unemployment rate for blacks mow ? Young black men ? Whats the crime rate in cities like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans ?

Cities exclusively run ny Democrats for decades.

Nothings changed with the exception of the overt expressions of hate.
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Or not. Here, let me help you learn how to use wiki. It is not hard so hopefully you can handle this. Go to the bottom of the wiki page and you will find this:

  • ^ Lemmon, Sarah McCulloh. "Ideology of the 'Dixiecrat Movement," Social Forces Vol. 30, No. 2 (Dec., 1951), pp. 162-171 in JSTOR
  • ^ John F. Bibby and Louis Sandy Maisel, Two parties--or more?: the American party system (1998) p 35
  • ^ Kari Frederickson, The Dixiecrat Revolt and the End of the Solid South, 1932-1968 (2001) p. 238.
  • ^ Perman (2009) part 4
  • ^ Glenn Feldman, "Southern Disillusionment with the Democratic Party: Cultural Conformity and 'the Great Melding' of Racial and Economic Conservatism in Alabama during World War II," Journal of American Studies Aug 2009, Vol. 43 Issue 2, p199-130
  • ^ Simon Topping, "'Never Argue with the Gallup Poll': Thomas Dewey, Civil Rights and the Election of 1948," Journal of American Studies 2004 38(2): 179-198
  • ^ J. Barton Starr, "Birmingham and the 'Dixiecrat' Convention of 1948," Alabama Historical Quarterly;; 1970 32(1-2): 23-50
  • ^ [SUP]a[/SUP] [SUP]b[/SUP] "Platform of the States Rights Democratic Party, August 14, 1948". Political Party Platforms, Parties Receiving Electoral Votes: 1840-2004. The American Presidency Project. Retrieved January 1, 2012.
  • ^ Glen Jeansonne, Leander Perez: Boss of the Delta (Jackson, MS:University Press of Mississippi, 1977) pp. 185-189.
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Those are what we call sources.
 
And so continues the entirely petty, anti-intellectual discussions of racism that constitute discussions of race and racism on DP. Considering that I'm in the midst of reading actual research on racism for a project right now, the ridiculousness of race discussions on DP is even more noticeable than normal.

Let's sum up this thread: literally one person tweeted literally one prejudiced comment and this is being used as "proof" that liberals can be racist too? O.

1. No **** liberals can be racist. Anyone who has interacted a large number of people knows that racists have many political leans. Such interaction is much better evidence than literally one tweet by literally one person.

2. The tweet isn't even racist and it definitely isn't a "racial slur." It's prejudiced.

I still can believe that literally one tweet made by literally one person deserves its own articles and thread.
 
Things like this and the "national" discussion that follows basically solidify two general things to me....that racists and unthinking hyper partisans come in all shapes, sizes, and colors including Red and Blue.
 
Black Manta said:
Well looks like we scream racism about Republicans or conservatives in general are showing their true colors...

WINCHESTER, Kentucky (AP) — Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell lambasted a liberal group on Saturday for criticizing the Asian heritage of his wife, former Labor Secretary Elaine Chao, calling its Twitter messages "racial slurs" and "the ultimate outrage." - [/FONT][/COLOR]http://www.usatoday....+usatoday-NewsTopStories+(News+-+Top+Stories)
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My understanding is that this was a progressive group using Kentuckians' preconceived notions about Asians to paint McConnell in a negative light.

Ashley Judd condemned it and I agree. It was race-baiting from the left and just as despicable as race-baiting from the right.
 
Redress said:
Actually I would not consider this racism either. Just stupid. But then again I do not run around calling any one racist on either side.

And you just admited to doing exactly what I said you where doing, and said you where not doing a few posts ago. It would be nice if more people where actually concerned about race beyond blaming the other side.
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Obviously you don't know the difference between a blanket statement and the comment "to many." :roll:

So no Red. Please point out in my posts where I said anything about racism is restricted to one group. Well here let me point this out...

Black Manta said:
Don't blow smoke up our asses. Why don't you list the real racist sites similar to stormfront...

Tribu Ka, Génération Kémi Séba
The Nation of Islam
The Nation of Yahweh
Ku Klux Klan
The new Black Panther party
Kach
The Nubian moor Nation
The Israelite Church of God in Jesus Christ
La Raza
Jewish National Front
American Militant Extremists
Most gangs be they Black, Hispanic or white.

Free Republic. :roll:
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Guess you sort of missed that post huh?
 
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Carleen said:
I disagree. It definitely was and is racism and should have been denounced by someone of his stature in the republican party.
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I guess you don't know the difference between "birth certificate" and "race?"
 
Black Manta said:
I guess you don't know the difference between "birth certificate" and "race?"
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So the birther conspiracy had nothing to do with the fact that Obama's a "black guy with a funny sounding name?" Do you really and honestly believe that he would have had this problem if he was white and his name was "Joe Smith?"
 
rocket88 said:
So the birther conspiracy had nothing to do with the fact that Obama's a "black guy with a funny sounding name?" Do you really and honestly believe that he would have had this problem if he was white and his name was "Joe Smith?"
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The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. Long before Trump started in, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. In a March 2007 memo to Clinton (that later found its way to me), Penn wrote: “All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared toward showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting it in a new light,” he wrote. “Save it for 2050. It also exposes a very strong weakness for him—his roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.” - The Democratic Roots of the Birther Movement - Businessweek
 
rocket88 said:
So the birther conspiracy had nothing to do with the fact that Obama's a "black guy with a funny sounding name?" Do you really and honestly believe that he would have had this problem if he was white and his name was "Joe Smith?"
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No. Then I imagine they'd come up with him spear heading a government conspiracy to create a police state through the death of thousands of americans after "stealing" the presidency. Or they may get wrapped up in his sex life while married. Or they would think he's trying to creat a new world order.

For the record, I don't think the "birther" thing would've been what grew out of the partisan desire to attack, demonize and illigitimize the other side if he was a black guy named "Joe Smith" either. I think if he was a white guy who was named Barack Obama and had the same history in terms of time spent in foreign countries that the birther thing likely would've manifested itself as well. Would either have perhaps gained as much headway? Probably not, as for SOME people the racial aspect plays in, but I maintain that it's not the foundation and that it's far more than just the color of his skin that plays into it.

The "foreign sounding" name. A foreign father. Significant time spent abroad in his youth. That time in part occuring in a country with a large muslim population. All those things I believe had just as much impact into the creation of the birther myth as "OMG He's a black guy!"
 
Black Manta said:
The idea of going after Obama’s otherness dates back to the last presidential election—and to Democrats. Long before Trump started in, Hillary Clinton’s chief strategist, Mark Penn, recognized this potential vulnerability in Obama and sought to exploit it. In a March 2007 memo to Clinton (that later found its way to me), Penn wrote: “All of these articles about his boyhood in Indonesia and his life in Hawaii are geared toward showing his background is diverse, multicultural and putting it in a new light,” he wrote. “Save it for 2050. It also exposes a very strong weakness for him—his roots to basic American values and culture are at best limited. I cannot imagine America electing a president during a time of war who is not at his center fundamentally American in his thinking and his values.” - The Democratic Roots of the Birther Movement - Businessweek
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And suddenly the right decided that they liked Hillary Clinton after all? Seriously, save your BS talking points for someone else. I never said that the Democrats were wonderful and blameless. You're busy constructing a strawman here.

Do you really and honestly believe that a guy named Joe Smith would have people questioning his birth certificate? Did you demand to see Bush's or Reagan's?
 
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