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Kansas Democrats force amendment to include lawmakers in welfare drug tests

Deuce said:
Incorrect. Don't get your information from blogs and email forwards.
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They get to keep their cadillac plan untouched and undiminished and it continues to be provided by their employers. Like certain unions they gave themselves a waiver.

I do note that Politifact says this:

"On the assertion that Members of Congress are exempt from the provisions of the Affordable Care Act: also false," he wrote. "Members of Congress are subject under the health care reform law to the same mandate that others are to purchase insurance, and their plans must have the same minimum standards of benefits that other insurance plans will have to meet. Members of Congress currently have not a gold-plated free plan but the same insurance options that most other federal employees have, and they do not have it provided for free. They have a generous subsidy for their premiums, but no more generous (and compared to many businesses or professions less generous) than standard employer-provided subsidies throughout the country."
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Which of course is total doublespeak and a lie. They have the best plan available and it is subsidized for them.
 
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vendur said:
Democrats are virtually irrelvant in the Kansas senate, there are only like 8 of them to 32 republicans. They have power to do absolutely nothing, let alone force the repubs to do anything.
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I linked the story for you. If you don't like it...I don't know what to tell you.
 
Blue_State said:
I linked the story for you. If you don't like it...I don't know what to tell you.
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You linked a story that was not the same title as the one you quoted. You broke the rules. You don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. For future reference, raw story is about as believable and as partisan as the Huffington compost.
 
vendur said:
You linked a story that was not the same title as the one you quoted. You broke the rules. You don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. For future reference, raw story is about as believable and as partisan as the Huffington compost.
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I explained that was a mistake. I linked the correct article. Deal with it.
 
Blue_State said:
I explained that was a mistake. I linked the correct article. Deal with it.
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Tough luck, I suppose i got a warning for doing the same, only the site itself changed its own title. the original title could still be found in google's cache. didn't matter, just like your excuses don't.
 
vendur said:
You linked a story that was not the same title as the one you quoted. You broke the rules. You don't like it, I don't know what to tell you. For future reference, raw story is about as believable and as partisan as the Huffington compost.
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Which source would you like in the future? The Kansas City Star? Garden City Telegram? Wichita Eagle? They're all reporting it too.
 
rocket88 said:
Which source would you like in the future? The Kansas City Star? Garden City Telegram? Wichita Eagle? They're all reporting it too.
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I'm not a fan of lying/misleading titles. Even if every dem voted for this amendment, three times more republicans voted for it.. It's a complete farce of a title. Beside that, he/she did not follow the rules when making the OP. The end.
 
clownboy said:
They get to keep their cadillac plan untouched and undiminished and it continues to be provided by their employers. Like certain unions they gave themselves a waiver.

I do note that Politifact says this:



Which of course is total doublespeak and a lie. They have the best plan available and it is subsidized for them.
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They don't have a waiver. They have the same options of any federal employee. Yes, it's subsidized... Like every federal employee and an awfully large number of people in private sector.
 
Deuce said:
They don't have a waiver. They have the same options of any federal employee. Yes, it's subsidized... Like every federal employee and an awfully large number of people in private sector.
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Congress gets special care that most federal employees do not. They pay about $500/year for it and it gives them access to the best healthcare in the country. They have their own doctors, their own nurses, their own pharmacy. They don't sit in waiting rooms. They don't travel to see specialists, they're flown in. None of this is billed to their "same as any federal employee" plan - it's billed to the taxpayer. All except that $500 of course.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Saw this. Great move by some Dems in my state.
But unfortunately this is going to be a giant waste of money, just look at Florida's little experiment with this.
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No public employees are a waste of money.
 
Taylor said:
Congress gets special care that most federal employees do not. They pay about $500/year for it and it gives them access to the best healthcare in the country. They have their own doctors, their own nurses, their own pharmacy. They don't sit in waiting rooms. They don't travel to see specialists, they're flown in. None of this is billed to their "same as any federal employee" plan - it's billed to the taxpayer. All except that $500 of course.
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Wait, I'm to believe that there aren't any specialists in DC and that there are doctors and nurses who just sit around and do nothing if nobody in congress happens to be sick?
 
Deuce said:
Wait, I'm to believe that there aren't any specialists in DC and that there are doctors and nurses who just sit around and do nothing if nobody in congress happens to be sick?
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Sure there are specialists, but congress gets the best specialists. They're flown in as needed.
 
Deuce said:
They don't have a waiver. They have the same options of any federal employee. Yes, it's subsidized... Like every federal employee and an awfully large number of people in private sector.
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No they have an outright waiver...

The Obama administrations pandering has gone above and beyond...
 
Taylor said:
Sure there are specialists, but congress gets the best specialists. They're flown in as needed.
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What makes them any different than you or me?

It seems republicans are denying Obamacare while democrats are lining up to abuse it.
 
Mr.Nick said:
No they have an outright waiver...

The Obama administrations pandering has gone above and beyond...
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No, the bill very explicitly requires them to participate in the insurance exchange. Stop getting your information from blogs and email forwards, people.

D) MEMBERS OF CONGRESS IN THE EXCHANGE.— (i) REQUIREMENT.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law, after the effective date of this subtitle, the only health plans that the Federal Government may make available to Members of Congress and congressional staff with respect to their service as a Member of Congress or congressional staff shall be health plans that are— (I) created under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act); or (II) offered through an Exchange established under this Act (or an amendment made by this Act).
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Deuce said:
No, the bill very explicitly requires them to participate in the insurance exchange. Stop getting your information from blogs and email forwards, people.
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No they don't, if you were right this wouldn't even be an argument.

The simple fact waivers were issued means something...
 
Mr.Nick said:
No they don't, if you were right this wouldn't even be an argument.

The simple fact waivers were issued means something...
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Waivers were issued, but not to congress. Seriously, it's a public record written right into the law.
 
Deuce said:
Waivers were issued, but not to congress. Seriously, it's a public record written right into the law.
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Yeah they were issued to congress and select labor unions.
 
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Mr.Nick said:
What makes them any different than you or me?

It seems republicans are denying Obamacare while democrats are lining up to abuse it.
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Funny enough, it seems that some high level dems actually believed that Obamacare would live up to its promises. Just this week, Donna Brazil found herself confused as to why her healthcare bills were going up after passage of the "affordable" healthcare act.
 
vendur said:
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Kansas is just alright with me. Kansas is just all right, oh yeah.
Kansas is just alright with me. Kansas is just alright.

 
samsmart said:
No. We don't have that. We don't have that at all.
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Yes we do basically have that as I previously said.


samsmart said:
Yes, we elect representatives on what they campaign to do.
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I that how you choose your candidate? Interesting!


samsmart said:
But there's no way to force those representatives we elected to do what they campaigned on.
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Damn. Force, huh?
How are you going to force the other representatives to do what the person you voted for campaigned on? :doh


Except to elect someone else in the next election.

samsmart said:
Which, because of how the two-party system has implemented safeguards for incumbents, is quite difficult to do.
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And yet it still is done. Go figure.


samsmart said:
Which means that the only legislation that gets passed is the legislation that those in power want passed - regardless of what the people want.
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Well as we have a whole slew of laws that have gotten passed which were what the people wanted/supported I think that proves your point wrong.
Secondly. Those who are elected should be doing what is best for this country, if that coincides with what the people want, all the better.
But you should not be passing laws for the sole reason that it is what the people want.


samsmart said:
Which is why there needs to be a way for the people to directly pass what they want, so that such things get passed even when our representatives are against it.
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And again. We already have it.




ChunkySalsa said:
Spare me your deluded naivety. We have a plutocratic hegemony consisting of millionaires who write the laws to keep themselves in power and profiting. They can do whatever the **** they want so long as their friends in the media can spin the negative consequences as the other team's fault and their propaganda machines can wash out the objections of the experts.
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:doh
:lamo
That would be your deluded naivety.
We live in a Republic.
You not liking that does not change it.
You not liking the fact that people use their monies to lobby doesn't change that.


ChunkySalsa said:
Third parties will never gain power so long as the Reps and Dems write the laws and get to select who they want voting for them.
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Gain power?
:doh
Third parties will only gain enough representation when they appeal to large enough masses to be elected. Which is the case each and every time they do get elected.
It is the way it should be.
 
Blue_State said:
Kansas Senate passes bill to require drug tests for welfare, unemployment recipients ... and lawmakers - KansasCity.com

HA..haha...hahahaha. Wow...I love this move. PLEASE...oh please let a lawmaker get busted. If you want to regulate...get regulated. LOVE IT!
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I love it.

I know people who work for the states, their health care is great and their pensions vary from 1/2 - 3/4 salary for life.

Anything we can do to expose corrupt or lawbreaking government workers and take them off the doll is fine with me.
 
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