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US court declares Sea Shepherd pirates

Deuce said:
Doesn't it open up the possibility of sinking them? Like, isn't it legal to shoot t pirate ships who attack you?
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To the best of my knowledge, no.
 
Deuce said:
Doesn't it open up the possibility of sinking them? Like, isn't it legal to shoot t pirate ships who attack you?
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I think yes.

If the Japanese now have "pirates" threatening their safety then why wouldn't they protect themselves ?
 
Redress said:
To the best of my knowledge, no.
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I'm pretty sure they can if the pirates initiate an attack and come within a certain distance of the ship.
 
Redress said:
In one of those stories only I might be interested in: US court declares Sea Shepherd pirates - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

What I think is important is the idea that even if you are trying to aide a good cause, but do it illegally, you are still a criminal. Here is the Sea Shepard in action:
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Surprised that there wasn't an anti-anti-whaling ship, on the payroll of the whalers, just patrolling to ram the anti-whaling ship. Maybe they could paint it like Mr. Crabs or Patrick.....
 
Redress said:
What it does it open up the possibility to sue Sea Sheppard. That will discourage them.
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Or, INTERPOL could put several of them in handcuffs and off to the nearest nightmare of a prison they can find.
 
Deuce said:
Doesn't it open up the possibility of sinking them? Like, isn't it legal to shoot t pirate ships who attack you?
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I'm hoping so. If you've ever seen the show, well, it's what most of the viewers have been waiting to see. I judge this from the forums at Animal Planet. Most folks hate that guy and his bunch of dumbasses.
 
Personally, if the Japanese sent a warship to capture or destroy the "sea shepherd", I couldn't blame them.
 
Redress said:
To the best of my knowledge, no.
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If pirates attack and damage my ship I'm freaking sinking them.

I'm going to need some cannons.



... and a ship.
 
Deuce said:
If pirates attack and damage my ship I'm freaking sinking them.

I'm going to need some cannons.



... and a ship.
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Why do that when suing is going to have similar effect and make you money?
 
Redress said:
The "research" is whaling. It is clear cut, no questions. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Attacking people to protect whales is the wrong way.
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They attack poachers to protect rhinos and elephants. Are these people wrong?

Rhino slaughter in South Africa sets savage pace: 455 so far this year - World News
South Africans are waging a desperate battle against rhino poachers. Anti-poaching patrol units are using deadly force in public parks.

Kenya's Challenge: Save Elephants from Poachers; Save Tourism
GUMBEL: But Kenya also responded with force, deadly force, and armed its wildlife wardens with AK-47s and gave them shoot to kill orders.
 
jamesrage said:
They attack poachers to protect rhinos and elephants. Are these people wrong?

Rhino slaughter in South Africa sets savage pace: 455 so far this year - World News
South Africans are waging a desperate battle against rhino poachers. Anti-poaching patrol units are using deadly force in public parks.

Kenya's Challenge: Save Elephants from Poachers; Save Tourism
GUMBEL: But Kenya also responded with force, deadly force, and armed its wildlife wardens with AK-47s and gave them shoot to kill orders.
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Poaching is illegal. Like it or not, what the Japanese whalers are doing is not.
 
Pirates? When have they tried to steal anything?


Terrorists, sure. I watched one or two episodes of their show, and came to that conclusion. Well, that...and their skipper is an idiot. I'm astounded they are still alive.
 
Redress said:
In one of those stories only I might be interested in: US court declares Sea Shepherd pirates - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)



What I think is important is the idea that even if you are trying to aide a good cause, but do it illegally, you are still a criminal. Here is the Sea Shepard in action:

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Trying to save whales by intentionally putting other humans at risk is the wrong way to do things...
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They ain't even ****ing pirates. Throwing spoiled butter and dumb hippy ****; they're giving real pirates a bad name!

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Them some actual pirates!
 
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The issue is not about whaling. There are other ways they could oppose it - and I think more effectively. The simplest way would be to use an injection harpon to taint a dead whale before hauled in, making it unusable.

I watched a few of the episodes in the past - and they initially had a black ship with a huge pirate skull and cross bones plus flew a pirate flag. Just for that reason alone, I would think any ship - military or civilian - could blow them out of the water and otherwise open fire on them. Why wouldn't they be declared pirates given they were flying a pirate flag?

I know if we were out in deep blue water and a vessel came towards us as if to ram and flying a pirate flag, we'd decide if we could outrun it and - if no - unless clearly some silly thing drunks were doing - we'd open fire with everything we have (which is quite a bit when we're deep offshore.)

The problem is it is run by some wacked out, desperate old man who isn't very smart determined to be a martyr.
 
Redress said:
Why do that when suing is going to have similar effect and make you money?
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Lawsuits do not involve cannons and fancy hats.
 
I always thought pirates were after monetary reward. Even modern day pirates, like those near Somalia, do so for ransom. I am fine calling them criminals, but pirate seems like a stretch. Unless we are just going to call all seagoing criminals pirates.

I have zero problems with the activists interfering in the whale hunts, even if doing so might technically be illegal. I don’t base my moral framework on what laws politicians write. I do, however, have problems with methods that have a likelihood of causing injury or death. Scaring away the whales or keeping your boat between the whale and the whaler, I have no problems with. And quite honestly, I don’t have a problem with doing property damage when that property is used for something like whaling ( I admit that is still illegal but not immoral in by book). However, things like ramming the whaling vessel and other tactics are flat out dangerous and risk human life. That is immoral and I cannot support that.
 
No matter what our court system does, this show will still be horrible.
 
How can they claim to be protecting animals if they all force parrots to sit on their shoulders? ****ing hypocrites.
 
I'm surprised they weren't called "terrorists" instead. Really surprised, actually! I guess there is no real political interest in anti-whaling activists that would justify such a media label.

I support these whaling groups in spirit but I don't think it's going to change anything. The world won't start holding Japan accountable until we start seeing major fish stocks disappearing forever because Japan is failing to respect seasonal moratoriums on certain species. Going after a whaling ship here and there will not stop the fleet of them.
 
Japan is almost 99% dependent on the outside world for everything regarding their production. If there were political will to stop them, they would be stopped. There just isn't and ramming ships for your TV show isn't particularly the best way to convince people Japan's practices should be stopped. This is nothing different fundamentally than the Earth Liberation Front burning down buildings and they are considered an eco-terrorist group.
 
Northern Light said:
I'm surprised they weren't called "terrorists" instead. Really surprised, actually! I guess there is no real political interest in anti-whaling activists that would justify such a media label.

I support these whaling groups in spirit but I don't think it's going to change anything. The world won't start holding Japan accountable until we start seeing major fish stocks disappearing forever because Japan is failing to respect seasonal moratoriums on certain species. Going after a whaling ship here and there will not stop the fleet of them.
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They don't have brown skin or wear turbans, so they're not terrists.
 
Goshin said:
Personally, if the Japanese sent a warship to capture or destroy the "sea shepherd", I couldn't blame them.
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I am surprised they havent sent a warship. I think the US Navy would have been down their already if it was a US flagged ship getting harrassed.
 
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