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Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up...

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notquiteright said:
It costs money to feed and house prisoners, many are not kept in federal prisons but state and county facilities that charge rather impressive rates to hold federal prisoners. I'd opine the politicians so upset by the release are more upset their district will lose a federal teat to suck on.

You seem enthralled by governance by crisis. Rather than wait for the shortfall why not get out ahead of it? Why not be proactive in planning? When did putting into place a plan BEFORE the fan is turned on become a bad thing?
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That money is accounted for until the sequestor.

I am not enthralled by governance by crisis. What I am seeing is ICE percieved a crisis that may or may not be there. Instead of making a plan...they decided to yell the sky is falling. You don't just dive into a bomb shelter, you wait for a reason to jump into it.
 
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Blue_State said:
Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up debate - The Washington Post

Jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Is this political grandstanding at its best?
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You would think libertarians would be all for releasing non-violent prisoners. Another con disgused a "libertarian"? I think so.

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http://www.lp.org/issues/crime-and-violence

Step 3. Get Tough on Real Crime

The Libertarian Party is the party of personal responsibility. We believe that anyone who harms another person should be held responsible for that action. By contrast, the Democrats and Republicans have created a system where criminals can get away with almost anything.

For instance: sentences seldom mean what they say. Fewer than one out of every four violent felons serves more than four years. Libertarians would dramatically reduce the number of these early releases by eliminating their root cause - prison over-crowding.

Since nearly six out of every ten federal prison inmates are there for non-violent drug-related offenses, it's clear that drug prohibition is the primary source of this over-crowding. It has been estimated that every drug offender imprisoned results in the release of one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts. Early release of violent criminals puts you and your family at risk. It must stop.
 
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notquiteright said:
The releasees are not violent, cost far less to monitor than keep in prison. I'd say it is a matter of opinion to say the authorities reacted just to act.
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But, but, but they are BROWN and ILLEGAL!!!!
 
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notquiteright said:
The releasees are not violent, cost far less to monitor than keep in prison. I'd say it is a matter of opinion to say the authorities reacted just to act.

When the drought hit I had a decision to make, I could sell ALL my cattle when I ran out of hay or some early to make the remaining hay last longer. I went through that herd with an eye to what would serve me best in the future and culled the rest. Went from 98 head to 22. We are still behind in rain but I now have 36 head and building back up.

I COULD have waited until I was out of hay and sold them all, or kept a select few (the more violent offenders in the case of the OP) by getting rid of a bunch (in the case of the OP the detainees who had minor infractions).

So you can see how I can see the release differently than you. I have had to make a rather tough and somewhat heart breaking (the herd was built over the years by a breeding program that was JUST beginning to throw the calves I wanted) decision on what to do in the face of circumstances I had no control over. Perhaps a rain will come and save the grass, allow me to bale more hay before I ran out. Perhaps the Gubmint will stop the BS and find an answer to the deadlock.

But I thought it prudent to not bet on rain in time to save my herd, and I think it prudent ICE not think the Deadlock will end quickly.

It didn't rain til the next spring so I feel I made the correct decision, time will tell on the release... my money is on it is the correct decision too. :peace
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However, if those were your neighbor's cattle and you were supporting them, the prudent thing to do would be to send them back to the neighbor and let him worry about them. So to the illegals that have been released. Obama has made them Arizona's problem when it would have been cheaper to send them back to where the came from and take care of our own.

This is nothing more than political grandstanding.
 
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Fisher said:
The short answer is Obama is not planning to deport them but to grant them amnesty instead so to the democrats they are future voters.......
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Exactly.

There shouldn't be any debate. There should be a wall about 20 feet high with guards on it, and deportation for the first offense followed by more strict punishment for a second attempt to ILLEGALLY infiltrate this country. ****ing ridiculous. Try sneaking in to North Korea, see what happens. The US is a bunch of ******s when it comes to this ****.
 
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madman said:
You would think libertarians would be all for releasing non-violent prisoners. Another con disgused a "libertarian"? I think so.

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Crime and Violence | Libertarian Party

Step 3. Get Tough on Real Crime

The Libertarian Party is the party of personal responsibility. We believe that anyone who harms another person should be held responsible for that action. By contrast, the Democrats and Republicans have created a system where criminals can get away with almost anything.

For instance: sentences seldom mean what they say. Fewer than one out of every four violent felons serves more than four years. Libertarians would dramatically reduce the number of these early releases by eliminating their root cause - prison over-crowding.

Since nearly six out of every ten federal prison inmates are there for non-violent drug-related offenses, it's clear that drug prohibition is the primary source of this over-crowding. It has been estimated that every drug offender imprisoned results in the release of one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts. Early release of violent criminals puts you and your family at risk. It must stop.
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Meh, you are wrong. But does my political position really matter in this dicussion? No it doesn't.
 
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Blue_State said:
Meh, you are wrong. But does my political position really matter in this dicussion? No it doesn't.
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Well, it's one of the tenets of libertarianism. Is it not?

Like i said, conservative in libertarian mask.
 
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madman said:
Well, it's one of the tenets of libertarianism. Is it not?

Like i said, conservative in libertarian mask.
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If you want to talk about national soverignty, we can go to another thread to discuss it, but this isn't the place.
 
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Blue_State said:
If you want to talk about national soverignty, we can go to another thread to discuss it, but this isn't the place.
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my post was a hypocrisy check.

I'll start another post. Feel free to follow.
 
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Fisher said:
My understanding is that a lot of them are being released with ankle bracelets saving about $125/day/prisoner and these are people who are illegal but were picked up on minor charges like driving without a license. It isn't like murderers are being turned loose.
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Much more likely. The gaming that is going on is intended to instill fear, but the liability of releasing violent criminals is huge. I don't think we really have anything to be worried about with these releases.
 
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madman said:
my post was a hypocrisy check.

I'll start another post. Feel free to follow.
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My post was about a Federal agency grandstanding...what was yours about?
 
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Originally Posted by Blue_State

Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up debate - The Washington Post

Jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Is this political grandstanding at its best?

Yes , you nailed it, IMO, strickly a political move
 
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His first "public" act was to pander to the hispanic vote.
 
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madman said:
But, but, but they are BROWN and ILLEGAL!!!!
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You do know that there are more illegals in this country than just "brown" people right? Way to play the race card. As for being illegal, yes, they are. They are just as much of a criminal as anyone else that commits fraud and tresspassing and BnE. What happens when Americans do that? Why aren't Americans being released with this order? Why just illegal aliens?
 
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They just said immigrants?
 
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Awesome! said:
They just said immigrants?
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Depends on who ask. The facts seem to state they are not documented/legal or whatever tag you want to use.
 
Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

If it comes down to keeping murderers in jail or illegal immigrants, I'd go with the murderers. Call me a pragmatist.

The illegals represent an economic threat - a minor one btw - but not really a threat to national security. If our money is so tight that we have to choose, I think this was a good call. They should be deported though and not allowed to stay.
 
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Northern Light said:
If it comes down to keeping murderers in jail or illegal immigrants, I'd go with the murderers. Call me a pragmatist.

The illegals represent an economic threat - a minor one btw - but not really a threat to national security. If our money is so tight that we have to choose, I think this was a good call. They should be deported though and not allowed to stay.
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Yeah I'd have no problem with them being let go so long as they were deported instead of just let out into our streets.
 
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Interesting seeing Jan Brewer's outrage being that she is pretty tied to the private prison industry which she's been awarding contracts to who get paid for how many of these immigrants they detain.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
Exactly! Obama will never suggest cutting money losing AMTRAK routes, or downsizing any tax money to demorat voter programs or cutting useless gov't supervisory personnel. He has, no doubt, suggested that "most visible" services be tragetted and to cut off contract employee services but to keep all civil service personnel.
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Looks like the hapless wingnuts on the right has handed Obama another win :lamo
 
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Any illegal aliens in America should be given residency and forced to live in North Dakota.
 
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spud_meister said:
Any illegal aliens in America should be given residency and forced to live in North Dakota.
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Well to be fair... that's where the freegin' jobs are with an unemployment rate of 3.2%.
 
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poweRob said:
Well to be fair... that's where the freegin' jobs are with an unemployment rate of 3.2%.
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See, it would discourage illegal immigration, boost the economy, and if they are criminals, they're not committing crimes anywhere important.
 
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spud_meister said:
See, it would discourage illegal immigration, boost the economy, and if they are criminals, they're not committing crimes anywhere important.
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Hey! :p
 
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