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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    One thing I can say about democratic politicians, they do know how to plan for the future....their own personal future.

    PS: If I was Jan Brewer I'd be waiting at the gates of those federal prisons and pick up every single person that they let out and then determine if they are illegals or not. If they are deport them, if not, let em go unless there is sufficient cause to keep them.
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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    It looks more irresponsible then that. Reacting for the sake of reacting doesn't always get positive results. A well measured plan that could be inacted at the zero hour would have been more appropriate.
    The releasees are not violent, cost far less to monitor than keep in prison. I'd say it is a matter of opinion to say the authorities reacted just to act.

    When the drought hit I had a decision to make, I could sell ALL my cattle when I ran out of hay or some early to make the remaining hay last longer. I went through that herd with an eye to what would serve me best in the future and culled the rest. Went from 98 head to 22. We are still behind in rain but I now have 36 head and building back up.

    I COULD have waited until I was out of hay and sold them all, or kept a select few (the more violent offenders in the case of the OP) by getting rid of a bunch (in the case of the OP the detainees who had minor infractions).

    So you can see how I can see the release differently than you. I have had to make a rather tough and somewhat heart breaking (the herd was built over the years by a breeding program that was JUST beginning to throw the calves I wanted) decision on what to do in the face of circumstances I had no control over. Perhaps a rain will come and save the grass, allow me to bale more hay before I ran out. Perhaps the Gubmint will stop the BS and find an answer to the deadlock.

    But I thought it prudent to not bet on rain in time to save my herd, and I think it prudent ICE not think the Deadlock will end quickly.

    It didn't rain til the next spring so I feel I made the correct decision, time will tell on the release... my money is on it is the correct decision too.

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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up debate - The Washington Post

    Jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Is this political grandstanding at its best?
    By the President and his administration? YES

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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The releasees are not violent, cost far less to monitor than keep in prison. I'd say it is a matter of opinion to say the authorities reacted just to act.

    When the drought hit I had a decision to make, I could sell ALL my cattle when I ran out of hay or some early to make the remaining hay last longer. I went through that herd with an eye to what would serve me best in the future and culled the rest. Went from 98 head to 22. We are still behind in rain but I now have 36 head and building back up.

    I COULD have waited until I was out of hay and sold them all, or kept a select few (the more violent offenders in the case of the OP) by getting rid of a bunch (in the case of the OP the detainees who had minor infractions).

    So you can see how I can see the release differently than you. I have had to make a rather tough and somewhat heart breaking (the herd was built over the years by a breeding program that was JUST beginning to throw the calves I wanted) decision on what to do in the face of circumstances I had no control over. Perhaps a rain will come and save the grass, allow me to bale more hay before I ran out. Perhaps the Gubmint will stop the BS and find an answer to the deadlock.

    But I thought it prudent to not bet on rain in time to save my herd, and I think it prudent ICE not think the Deadlock will end quickly.

    It didn't rain til the next spring so I feel I made the correct decision, time will tell on the release... my money is on it is the correct decision too.
    ICE doesn't sacrafice anything by waiting for the deadline. The releasees are not cattle. ICE made a political statement. Please tell me one single negative outcome of waiting until the deadline to do what they did.
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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    ICE doesn't sacrafice anything by waiting for the deadline. The releasees are not cattle. ICE made a political statement. Please tell me one single negative outcome of waiting until the deadline to do what they did.
    It costs money to feed and house prisoners, many are not kept in federal prisons but state and county facilities that charge rather impressive rates to hold federal prisoners. I'd opine the politicians so upset by the release are more upset their district will lose a federal teat to suck on.

    You seem enthralled by governance by crisis. Rather than wait for the shortfall why not get out ahead of it? Why not be proactive in planning? When did putting into place a plan BEFORE the fan is turned on become a bad thing?

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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    It costs money to feed and house prisoners, many are not kept in federal prisons but state and county facilities that charge rather impressive rates to hold federal prisoners. I'd opine the politicians so upset by the release are more upset their district will lose a federal teat to suck on.

    You seem enthralled by governance by crisis. Rather than wait for the shortfall why not get out ahead of it? Why not be proactive in planning? When did putting into place a plan BEFORE the fan is turned on become a bad thing?
    That money is accounted for until the sequestor.

    I am not enthralled by governance by crisis. What I am seeing is ICE percieved a crisis that may or may not be there. Instead of making a plan...they decided to yell the sky is falling. You don't just dive into a bomb shelter, you wait for a reason to jump into it.
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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up debate - The Washington Post

    Jumping the gun a bit aren't we? Is this political grandstanding at its best?
    You would think libertarians would be all for releasing non-violent prisoners. Another con disgused a "libertarian"? I think so.

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    For instance: sentences seldom mean what they say. Fewer than one out of every four violent felons serves more than four years. Libertarians would dramatically reduce the number of these early releases by eliminating their root cause - prison over-crowding.

    Since nearly six out of every ten federal prison inmates are there for non-violent drug-related offenses, it's clear that drug prohibition is the primary source of this over-crowding. It has been estimated that every drug offender imprisoned results in the release of one violent criminal, who then commits an average of 40 robberies, 7 assaults, 110 burglaries and 25 auto thefts. Early release of violent criminals puts you and your family at risk. It must stop.

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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The releasees are not violent, cost far less to monitor than keep in prison. I'd say it is a matter of opinion to say the authorities reacted just to act.

    But, but, but they are BROWN and ILLEGAL!!!!

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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    The releasees are not violent, cost far less to monitor than keep in prison. I'd say it is a matter of opinion to say the authorities reacted just to act.

    When the drought hit I had a decision to make, I could sell ALL my cattle when I ran out of hay or some early to make the remaining hay last longer. I went through that herd with an eye to what would serve me best in the future and culled the rest. Went from 98 head to 22. We are still behind in rain but I now have 36 head and building back up.

    I COULD have waited until I was out of hay and sold them all, or kept a select few (the more violent offenders in the case of the OP) by getting rid of a bunch (in the case of the OP the detainees who had minor infractions).

    So you can see how I can see the release differently than you. I have had to make a rather tough and somewhat heart breaking (the herd was built over the years by a breeding program that was JUST beginning to throw the calves I wanted) decision on what to do in the face of circumstances I had no control over. Perhaps a rain will come and save the grass, allow me to bale more hay before I ran out. Perhaps the Gubmint will stop the BS and find an answer to the deadlock.

    But I thought it prudent to not bet on rain in time to save my herd, and I think it prudent ICE not think the Deadlock will end quickly.

    It didn't rain til the next spring so I feel I made the correct decision, time will tell on the release... my money is on it is the correct decision too.
    However, if those were your neighbor's cattle and you were supporting them, the prudent thing to do would be to send them back to the neighbor and let him worry about them. So to the illegals that have been released. Obama has made them Arizona's problem when it would have been cheaper to send them back to where the came from and take care of our own.

    This is nothing more than political grandstanding.

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    Re: Release of about 300 illegal immigrants from federal custody in Arizona stirs up.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    The short answer is Obama is not planning to deport them but to grant them amnesty instead so to the democrats they are future voters.......
    Exactly.

    There shouldn't be any debate. There should be a wall about 20 feet high with guards on it, and deportation for the first offense followed by more strict punishment for a second attempt to ILLEGALLY infiltrate this country. ****ing ridiculous. Try sneaking in to North Korea, see what happens. The US is a bunch of pussies when it comes to this ****.

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