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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

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    Check this out Grant.....

    Rebels dismayed over US statement on Syrian conflict.....

    The rebels, who are battling the regime of President Bashar al-Assad, are specifically reacting to statements from State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland. On Thursday she said Washington is “deeply concerned” about the threat of potential massacres in Aleppo, but that the United States will not assist in the supply of arms to the opposition.



    Rebels say that 100 armored vehicles have already been sent to attack the city of 3 million people. Aleppo is already surrounded and strafed by jet and helicopters.....snip~

    Rebels dismayed over US statement on Syrian conflict - World News

    Syrian rebel chief pleads for weapons.....

    BEIRUT (AP) — The chief of Syrian rebel forces said Friday that his fighters are in "desperate" need of weapons and ammunition rather than the food supplies and bandages that the U.S. now plans to provide.



    The Obama administration on Thursday announced it was giving an additional $60 million in assistance to the country's political opposition and said that it would, for the first time, provide non-lethal aid directly to rebels battling to oust Syrian President Bashar Assad.

    Gen. Salim Idris, chief of staff of the Syrian opposition's Supreme Military Council, said the modest package of aid to rebels — consisting of an undetermined amount of food rations and medical supplies — will not help them win against Assad's forces who have superior air power.

    "We don't want food and drink and we don't want bandages. When we're wounded, we want to die. The only thing we want is weapons," he told The Associated Press in a telephone interview.....snip~

    Syrian rebel chief pleads for weapons - Yahoo! News

    Quite the Unappreciative Lames they are.....huh? Modest package with the Suad and Qataris upping over 300 million to their azzes. Not counting anybody else.
    IOW, Obama is wrong for giving too much aid to the Syrian rebels, and he's wrong for not giving enough aid to the Syrian rebels!!
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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

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    IOW, Obama is wrong for giving too much aid to the Syrian rebels, and he's wrong for not giving enough aid to the Syrian rebels!!
    And that's what you were able to discern after all that reading?

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And that's what you were able to discern after all that reading?
    They tend to not notice due to the Neo Cons always wanting to get off into that nation building. Guess they haven't figure it out yet.

    Assad stated this morning he is not stepping down. He will is willing to talk with these Rebels but they have to surrender their arms. If Assad could terminate the defectors that are a couple of the Leaders. He may be able to hold until that Election.

    Yet I would like to know what planes are flying around Aleppo that are not Assad's Same deal with the Choppers. Don't forget these Rebels like to exaggerate things as well.

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

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    No I don't care...
    I bet you hear this a lot when you start conversations.

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

    I facepalm everytime I see how many of my fellow Americans have thrown common sense out the window and fallen for this idiotic isolationist crap certain politicians are peddling as a snake oil cure-all. I think Hitchens said it best with "What the isolationists don't understand is that non-intervention doesn't mean nothing happens; it means something else happens." To believe that international events will turn out better for us in the end if we just passively sit here with our hands in our pockets flies in the face of common sense. It's stupid. Plain and simple. Such a tautology applies absolutely no where else in our lives, but all of a sudden it's now true for international affairs? Wake up! It's like saying "i'm not gonna vote at all because what if the guy I vote for ends up being a bad president?". REALLY?

    Believe me, I understand the appeal. Americans are weary of a decade of a war with seemingly nothing to show but a thankless Afghanistan and Iraq. It's easy to listen to a politician when he says we can bring all our troops, stop spending money on foreign countries, AND international events will work out better for us in the end? Sounds almost too good to be true, right? Because it is. It's bull****. The isolationist politicians are used car salesmen trying to sell you a stinker, telling you everything you want to hear, and it can all be yours if you just sign right here at the bottom. Not only that, but we've test drove this car before. And it hasn't worked out well, to say the least.

    Quite frankly, $60 billion in humanitarian aid is too little too late. Obama had an opportunity to get seriously involved and do much more early on, but he squandered that with his "Look away" foreign policy, which left a power vacuum and opend up the door for foreign global jihadists to gain a foodhold among the rebels who were hungry to get support from wherever they could find it. Now over 70,000 have been killed (mostly civilians, not combatants mind you), 200,000 political prisoners have been taken, 2million are homeless within Syria, and another million have fled for refuge across borders.

    Even if the humanitarian imperative doesn't sway your cold heart, we have self interest in the crisis as well. Like it or not we do not live in a vacuum. Events that happen across the world have an impact on us. If Syria is left to continue to fracture and wallow in civil war, it threatens our efforts to ensure a the world's energy supply, contain terrorism, and risks destabilizing other middle east nations especially Jordan which is being overrun with refugees, Iraq, and Lebanon which has already experiencing a spill-over in violence.

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I facepalm everytime I see how many of my fellow Americans have thrown common sense out the window and fallen for this idiotic isolationist crap certain politicians are peddling as a snake oil cure-all. I think Hitchens said it best with "What the isolationists don't understand is that non-intervention doesn't mean nothing happens; it means something else happens." To believe that international events will turn out better for us in the end if we just passively sit here with our hands in our pockets flies in the face of common sense. It's stupid. Plain and simple. Such a tautology applies absolutely no where else in our lives, but all of a sudden it's now true for international affairs? Wake up! It's like saying "i'm not gonna vote at all because what if the guy I vote for ends up being a bad president?". REALLY?

    Believe me, I understand the appeal. Americans are weary of a decade of a war with seemingly nothing to show but a thankless Afghanistan and Iraq. It's easy to listen to a politician when he says we can bring all our troops, stop spending money on foreign countries, AND international events will work out better for us in the end? Sounds almost too good to be true, right? Because it is. It's bull****. The isolationist politicians are used car salesmen trying to sell you a stinker, telling you everything you want to hear, and it can all be yours if you just sign right here at the bottom. Not only that, but we've test drove this car before. And it hasn't worked out well, to say the least.

    Quite frankly, $60 billion in humanitarian aid is too little too late. Obama had an opportunity to get seriously involved and do much more early on, but he squandered that with his "Look away" foreign policy, which left a power vacuum and opend up the door for foreign global jihadists to gain a foodhold among the rebels who were hungry to get support from wherever they could find it. Now over 70,000 have been killed (mostly civilians, not combatants mind you), 200,000 political prisoners have been taken, 2million are homeless within Syria, and another million have fled for refuge across borders.

    Even if the humanitarian imperative doesn't sway your cold heart, we have self interest in the crisis as well. Like it or not we do not live in a vacuum. Events that happen across the world have an impact on us. If Syria is left to continue to fracture and wallow in civil war, it threatens our efforts to ensure a the world's energy supply, contain terrorism, and risks destabilizing other middle east nations especially Jordan which is being overrun with refugees, Iraq, and Lebanon which has already experiencing a spill-over in violence.
    Americans have every right to feel angry and frustrated because, despite the billions of dollars spent, no real progress has been made. In fact it could be argued that the world situation is worsening.

    At one time American leadership realized that the Communism was an evil thing and the Cold War continued from one administration to the next and, for the most part, followed George Kennan's suggestions on 'containment'.

    Now there is no continuation of policy, no real long term plans and more emphasis stressed on 'exit strategies' than in winning wars. As well, Americans have been accused by their former allies, especially in western Europe, of assuming the role of the 'world's policeman', and American's are naturally tired of all this sniping while they're continually being called upon to solve the world's problems.

    What is need, it seems to me, is a forum composed only of the world's democracies, where fair and open elections are being applied and human rights and freedoms are being protected. The United Nations is a waste of time, money and space and the democracies should let it fold. It is now only a forum for dictators.

    From there a well considered long term plan should be established on how to spread human rights and freedoms throughout the world for everyone, with every democracy shouldering it's share of the burden. Until that happens it's easy to see why the American people should be fed up with carrying the load for the rest of the world, and with nothing in return but Monday morning quarterbacking and criticisms. As far as I'm concerned there should be less time spent on 'nation building' and more time spent on where to drop the next daisy cutter. That will catch the attention of the world's despots far more quickly and effectively and, if Germany, Italy and Japan are any examples, with long term positive consequences.

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I facepalm everytime I see how many of my fellow Americans have thrown common sense out the window and fallen for this idiotic isolationist crap certain politicians are peddling as a snake oil cure-all. I think Hitchens said it best with "What the isolationists don't understand is that non-intervention doesn't mean nothing happens; it means something else happens." To believe that international events will turn out better for us in the end if we just passively sit here with our hands in our pockets flies in the face of common sense. It's stupid. Plain and simple. Such a tautology applies absolutely no where else in our lives, but all of a sudden it's now true for international affairs? Wake up! It's like saying "i'm not gonna vote at all because what if the guy I vote for ends up being a bad president?". REALLY?

    Believe me, I understand the appeal. Americans are weary of a decade of a war with seemingly nothing to show but a thankless Afghanistan and Iraq. It's easy to listen to a politician when he says we can bring all our troops, stop spending money on foreign countries, AND international events will work out better for us in the end? Sounds almost too good to be true, right? Because it is. It's bull****. The isolationist politicians are used car salesmen trying to sell you a stinker, telling you everything you want to hear, and it can all be yours if you just sign right here at the bottom. Not only that, but we've test drove this car before. And it hasn't worked out well, to say the least.

    Quite frankly, $60 billion in humanitarian aid is too little too late. Obama had an opportunity to get seriously involved and do much more early on, but he squandered that with his "Look away" foreign policy, which left a power vacuum and opend up the door for foreign global jihadists to gain a foodhold among the rebels who were hungry to get support from wherever they could find it. Now over 70,000 have been killed (mostly civilians, not combatants mind you), 200,000 political prisoners have been taken, 2million are homeless within Syria, and another million have fled for refuge across borders.

    Even if the humanitarian imperative doesn't sway your cold heart, we have self interest in the crisis as well. Like it or not we do not live in a vacuum. Events that happen across the world have an impact on us. If Syria is left to continue to fracture and wallow in civil war, it threatens our efforts to ensure a the world's energy supply, contain terrorism, and risks destabilizing other middle east nations especially Jordan which is being overrun with refugees, Iraq, and Lebanon which has already experiencing a spill-over in violence.

    If Syria is left to wallow in a Civil war it wont cause any major affects to the Worlds Energy Supply. Involving ourselves in Syria will not contain terrorism. Moreover the Sunni have already proven thru their own actions and Elections, accepting Democracy on their terms. Has not stabilized the region!

    Also it is not just 60 million. Already we have given 385 million. Which is not counting the Billion or so that the Saudis have given. Nor any other Aid from others.

    Syria doesn't even have a major effect on our National Security.....nor does it need to become one, either.

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

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    Re: Kerry: U.S. Pledges $60M in NEW AID to Syria Opposition.....

    Quote Originally Posted by the_recruit View Post
    I facepalm everytime I see how many of my fellow Americans have thrown common sense out the window and fallen for this idiotic isolationist crap certain politicians are peddling as a snake oil cure-all. I think Hitchens said it best with "What the isolationists don't understand is that non-intervention doesn't mean nothing happens; it means something else happens." To believe that international events will turn out better for us in the end if we just passively sit here with our hands in our pockets flies in the face of common sense. It's stupid. Plain and simple. Such a tautology applies absolutely no where else in our lives, but all of a sudden it's now true for international affairs? Wake up! It's like saying "i'm not gonna vote at all because what if the guy I vote for ends up being a bad president?". REALLY?

    Believe me, I understand the appeal. Americans are weary of a decade of a war with seemingly nothing to show but a thankless Afghanistan and Iraq. It's easy to listen to a politician when he says we can bring all our troops, stop spending money on foreign countries, AND international events will work out better for us in the end? Sounds almost too good to be true, right? Because it is. It's bull****. The isolationist politicians are used car salesmen trying to sell you a stinker, telling you everything you want to hear, and it can all be yours if you just sign right here at the bottom. Not only that, but we've test drove this car before. And it hasn't worked out well, to say the least.

    Quite frankly, $60 billion in humanitarian aid is too little too late. Obama had an opportunity to get seriously involved and do much more early on, but he squandered that with his "Look away" foreign policy, which left a power vacuum and opend up the door for foreign global jihadists to gain a foodhold among the rebels who were hungry to get support from wherever they could find it. Now over 70,000 have been killed (mostly civilians, not combatants mind you), 200,000 political prisoners have been taken, 2million are homeless within Syria, and another million have fled for refuge across borders.

    Even if the humanitarian imperative doesn't sway your cold heart, we have self interest in the crisis as well. Like it or not we do not live in a vacuum. Events that happen across the world have an impact on us. If Syria is left to continue to fracture and wallow in civil war, it threatens our efforts to ensure a the world's energy supply, contain terrorism, and risks destabilizing other middle east nations especially Jordan which is being overrun with refugees, Iraq, and Lebanon which has already experiencing a spill-over in violence.
    and you really belief that the Syrian people are going to remember the US helped them? Through the years we have helped many people. Of the countries we have helped I don't see a lot of them saying yea for America. But hey, whats borrowing another 24 or the 60 million to help out friends.

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