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Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

shrubnose said:
How about if we just let them and everyone else in the USA live wherever they want to live and eliminate gerrymandering for any purpose?

What's wrong with that idea?



"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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The only way I'd agree with that is if we just did all of the elections on a state rather then district level.
 
Deuce said:
All they need is for the voter ID laws to slightly disproportionately affect people who vote blue.
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But these are offices that been in the same place well before the talk of voter ID laws started. I don't see how their location is related.
 
Perotista said:
I think the problems my county has can be best addressed by those who live in my county regardless of skin color. But that is just my opinion
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I agree with you 100 percent, and I am sure that the vast majority of Americans would agree with you if it wasn't for politics. That's the efficient way of doing things.

But most of the people who support "states rights" and "home rule" will never support doing away their 'right' to gerrymander districts to their advantage. I'll let you figure out who most of those people are.

Imagine what those districts will look like in the not-distant future when Whites stop being the majority of the U.S. population.
 
calamity said:
Districts should be drawn as near to square as is possible. Draw a square in the middle of the state that holds about 650K people and work your way out, violated the square-rule only as you approach the borders.
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Works for me.

At the least, it would give us a good starting point as to where to put counties.

Maybe it should be taken out of the hands of the states and done by a national, non-partisan, commission.
 
Pilot said:
Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act


If we're going to keep Preclearance, it needs to apply to everyone, not just select states and counties. Things have changed and I don't see how theses select Southern areas are so much more likely to attempt discriminatory voting practices that they should be singled out.
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Good for the SCOTUS. All laws should apply to all citizens equally. While some may fear or dislike the outcome of such a reversal, the fact remains that it is a prejudicial law that should never of been allowed in the first place.
 
shrubnose said:
I agree with you 100 percent, and I am sure that the vast majority of Americans would agree with you if it wasn't for politics. That's the efficient way of doing things.

But most of the people who support "states rights" and "home rule" will never support doing away their 'right' to gerrymander districts to their advantage. I'll let you figure out who most of those people are.

Imagine what those districts will look like in the not-distant future when Whites stop being the majority of the U.S. population.
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The VRA, however, does not do away with gerrymandering, it simply mandates a new way of doing exactly that. ;)
 
shrubnose said:
I agree with you 100 percent, and I am sure that the vast majority of Americans would agree with you if it wasn't for politics. That's the efficient way of doing things.

But most of the people who support "states rights" and "home rule" will never support doing away their 'right' to gerrymander districts to their advantage. I'll let you figure out who most of those people are.

Imagine what those districts will look like in the not-distant future when Whites stop being the majority of the U.S. population.
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A very interesting thought. Today with whites in the majority we do have the majority minority districts, black districts, Hispanic districts and even an Asian district or two. That leaves the rest to the whites where a minority of whites, Republicans who receives less votes than the other party can still win a comfortable majority in the House. But on the other hand when the Democrats controlled the House from 1932 to 1994 for all but 4 years, they won control of the house in 29 of 31 elections, but the republicans received the majority of votes in 13 elections and had control in only 2. So yes, both parties utilize gerrymandering to the max to benefit them.

When whites do become a minority, I wonder if majority minority districts will be done away with or will those whites demand their own majority minority districts. It is my hope that they will be done away with for basically the reason I cited in my previous post. Perhaps even an end gerrymandering by leaving as many counties as whole as possible will become a reality. Perhaps the present day minorities will be more interested in fair elections than the whites of today tomorrow. Time will tell.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The VRA, however, does not do away with gerrymandering, it simply mandates a new way of doing exactly that. ;)
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Then we need to change that.

Immediately.

We don't need no stinking gerrymandering!
 
shrubnose said:
Then we need to change that.

Immediately.

We don't need no stinking gerrymandering!
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I agree. Gerrymandering and majority minority districts are just another for of segregation. Legal segregation that determines how districts are drawn by the color of ones skin and whether the voter is a Republican or Democrat.
 
Mr.Nick said:
What the hell is "minority rights?"
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How about : Having the same rights that the majority has?

Does that work for you?



"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
 
poweRob said:
Anyone catch Scalia's incredibly ridiculous argument against the voting rights act? Un****ing real.

Basically he said that each subsequent renewal of the act got more votes for and less votes against and therefore he has to step in and go against it because the senators are too scared to vote the way they want. Flat out admitting that he thinks he knows better than our representatives and therefore intends to override our representations' votes.

The guy is out of control.






Less people are voting against this act that I want them to vote against therefore I will use my lifetime appointement to overrule them. Unbelievable.
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It's easy for me to believe that Justice Scalia would think something like this.

The fact that he actually said this, in public, blows my mind.

This guy needs to find another job.
 
Altenhof4Prez said:
...btw i will stand on record saying racism will end in 10 or 20 years.
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It may increase or decrease.

I very much doubt that anyone alive today will see the end of it.

It's hard to change human nature.
 
Dickieboy said:
Paul's idea would be much more effective than legislating it. Consider given the current prevalence of folks against racism if a restaurant did 'practice their racism'. Presumably this information would infiltrate throughout the community promoting the ostrization of the establishment and reducing there revenue...ultimately to the point of closure disabling the ability to 'practice their racism' AND strengthening the ones who do not.
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That's what Paul and a lot of Libertarian types have said.

I'm not buying it.
 
Thrilla said:
I'd love for you to explain how you reached that "understanding"....it wasn't based on anything Scalia has said or done, so i'm wondering where that "understanding" came from
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From my observations of the man.

What he has said and done gives me that understanding.

You, of course, are entitled to your own understanding of the man.

But it won't change my opinion of him.

He is what he is.
 
shrubnose said:
How about : Having the same rights that the majority has?

Does that work for you?



"Tolerance is giving to every other human being every right that you claim for yourself." ~ Robert Green Ingersoll
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shrubnose said:
It's easy for me to believe that Justice Scalia would think something like this.

The fact that he actually said this, in public, blows my mind.

This guy needs to find another job.
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shrubnose said:
Been there, done that.

Have you noticed that the rest of the USA is changing?
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shrubnose said:
It may increase or decrease.

I very much doubt that anyone alive today will see the end of it.

It's hard to change human nature.
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shrubnose said:
Who said that I'm not?
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shrubnose said:
That's what Paul and a lot of Libertarian types have said.

I'm not buying it.
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shrubnose said:
From my observations of the man.

What he has said and done gives me that understanding.

You, of course, are entitled to your own understanding of the man.

But it won't change my opinion of him.

He is what he is.
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Ever heard of Multi-Quote?
 
DVSentinel said:
Good for the SCOTUS. All laws should apply to all citizens equally. While some may fear or dislike the outcome of such a reversal, the fact remains that it is a prejudicial law that should never of been allowed in the first place.
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It might have been better if it had been applied to the entire country.
 
Perotista said:
When whites do become a minority, I wonder if majority minority districts will be done away with or will those whites demand their own majority minority districts. It is my hope that they will be done away with for basically the reason I cited in my previous post. Perhaps even an end gerrymandering by leaving as many counties as whole as possible will become a reality. Perhaps the present day minorities will be more interested in fair elections than the whites of today tomorrow. Time will tell.
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I may be living in a dream world but I live with the hope, and the belief that tomorrow will be better than today, that we will all finally learn how to get along.

For everyone's sake.

We don't have to love everyone, but it should be possible for us to at least get along with everyone, eh?



"I look to a day when men will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
 
shrubnose said:
I may be living in a dream world but I live with the hope, and the belief that tomorrow will be better than today, that we will all finally learn how to get along.

For everyone's sake.

We don't have to love everyone, but it should be possible for us to at least get along with everyone, eh?



"I look to a day when men will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character." ~ Martin Luther King, Jr.
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My friend here is something I have said many times on another political site. If you are religious you believe man originated in the Garden of Eden, if not that he came out of Africa. Regardless whether he came out of Eden or Africa, he migrated from there and populated the four corners of the earth. Then due to the environment and evolution from the one race man became many. Today due to the world growing much smaller, man is slowly reverting from many races back to the one, due to tourism, immigration, wars in which GI’s do what GI’s do, to interracial marriages, to business’s now becoming world wide and the global economy, due to a myriad of things too many to mention we are most surly reverting back to the one race. In my opinion this can’t happen too fast. After all we are form the Human Race and I think it is about time all of us recognize that fact.
 
shrubnose said:
It may increase or decrease.

I very much doubt that anyone alive today will see the end of it.

It's hard to change human nature.
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I agree just think we are bit further then we realize.you gotta multi qoute bra lol
 
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