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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I'm not saying that there aren't places that would still discriminate, just that it is wrong to only apply a law to people you suspect might do something. I see it as the equivalent of creating a law that all Middle Eastern airline passengers must go through a body scanner, but everyone else is not enough of a risk to be forced to undergo the same oversight. I'm not against the act, only the way it is currently applied.
    The foregoing is a bad analogy.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Devil's advocate would explain it reasonably but he called it a problem when referring the to voting patterns as indicated in the 2nd paragraph of the quote. Even more specifically in the first paragraph where he indicated that he himself had a problem with it. Which would seem that its not a devil's advocate position he's taking but rather his own position.
    I too think the voting patterns are a problem. IMO, there are many issues that are currently considered 'political suicide'; a Republican voting for tax increases/marriage equality, a Democrat voting for SS/medicare 'adjustments', etc. Does this enforce the legitimacy of the legislation?

    Consider this portion of the hearing:

    JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: May I ask you a question? Assuming I accept your premise, and there's some question about that, that some portions of the South have changed, your county pretty much hasn't.
    Does this not sound like her mind is made up as to whether the South is still racist? And why would she say such when states like Alaska and Arizona (non-South states) and many counties (in CA, NY, SD, MI and NH) are included in the preclearance?

    Note she interupts the openning within the FIRST SENTENCE to say this...the mold was cast for this hearing to be 'raucous'
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    I too think the voting patterns are a problem. IMO, there are many issues that are currently considered 'political suicide'; a Republican voting for tax increases/marriage equality, a Democrat voting for SS/medicare 'adjustments', etc. Does this enforce the legitimacy of the legislation?

    Consider this portion of the hearing:



    Does this not sound like her mind is made up as to whether the South is still racist? And why would she say such when states like Alaska and Arizona (non-South states) and many counties (in CA, NY, SD, MI and NH) are included in the preclearance?

    Note she interupts the openning within the FIRST SENTENCE to say this...the mold was cast for this hearing to be 'raucous'
    She is directing that to someone specifically and I'd have to know what she is referring to when she is stating that his county hasn't changed. She'd have to be doing that based on something that happened recently. I don't know what she is referring to on that.

    But to you other point about voting patterns... do you see it as the SCOTUS' position to do what Scalia is inferring? The judicial branch overthrowing the decisions of the legislative branch when it is NOT a matter of constitutionality? But rather just a preference?
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Glowpun View Post
    The foregoing is a bad analogy.
    How so?

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    She is directing that to someone specifically and I'd have to know what she is referring to when she is stating that his county hasn't changed. She'd have to be doing that based on something that happened recently. I don't know what she is referring to on that.
    It came from the hearing. Copied directly from the link you provided. She was questioning the solicitor representing Shelby Co. Didn't you read the transcript fully?

    But to you other point about voting patterns... do you see it as the SCOTUS' position to do what Scalia is inferring? The judicial branch overthrowing the decisions of the legislative branch when it is NOT a matter of constitutionality? But rather just a preference?
    IMO, no it is not their purpose or intention nor do I believe they will overthrow the law. The question here is about preclearance which can certainly be a matter of constutionality especially considering it is not evenly applied to all the states. A few years back (2005 i think) this came up and it was stated that Congress would need to take up some 'trigger' to alleviate the requirements...or not. I believe Kagen brought it up again in this hearing.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    It came from the hearing. Copied directly from the link you provided. She was questioning the solicitor representing Shelby Co. Didn't you read the transcript fully?



    IMO, no it is not their purpose or intention nor do I believe they will overthrow the law. The question here is about preclearance which can certainly be a matter of constutionality especially considering it is not evenly applied to all the states. A few years back (2005 i think) this came up and it was stated that Congress would need to take up some 'trigger' to alleviate the requirements...or not. I believe Kagen brought it up again in this hearing.
    No I dind't read the whole transcript fully. But I'm not asking who she was talking to but what incident she was referring to that they hadn't changed.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The onus should not be on those to prove "time have changed" but on those who suggest conditions continue to be so much worse in eight states that they need to jump through hoops that other states do not. Simply assuming it to be the case is not justifiable.
    This is why I believe that no criminal should be held for more than ten years unless the govt can show that they would commit another crime once they're released. Why should those prisoners have to jump through hoops to be free when others do not. Simply assuming that they will commit another crime is not justifiable.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    She is directing that to someone specifically and I'd have to know what she is referring to when she is stating that his county hasn't changed. She'd have to be doing that based on something that happened recently. I don't know what she is referring to on that.
    She was referring to the 240 racially discriminatory voting measures that were recently blocked in Shelby County

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    This is why I believe that no criminal should be held for more than ten years unless the govt can show that they would commit another crime once they're released. Why should those prisoners have to jump through hoops to be free when others do not. Simply assuming that they will commit another crime is not justifiable.
    Criminals should be punished. States should not be. If you punish a state you largely punish citizens that had no involvement in the wrongdoing.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Criminals should be punished. States should not be. If you punish a state you largely punish citizens that had no involvement in the wrongdoing.
    When state govts commit crimes, they should be sanctioned too.

    And VRA does not punish the citizens of a state in any way.
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