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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    From what I can see, the Sauk City location is inside a community center and only provides renewal services. It is definitely not a full service location.

    I'll look into the others, but my guess is that they are similarly small and limited locations.

    The 4 days a year sounds strange, but considering it doesn't even have a dedicated location, I think there is more to this than meets the eye.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    From what I can see, the Sauk City location is inside a community center and only provides renewal services. It is definitely not a full service location.

    I'll look into the others, but my guess is that they are similarly small and limited locations.

    The 4 days a year sounds strange, but considering it doesn't even have a dedicated location, I think there is more to this than meets the eye.
    Being poor enough to need a free voter ID generally means transportation to a further location can be problematic. There are entire counties in Mississippi and Alabama without a full-time DMV. Coincidentally, they are counties with the highest percentages of black people living in them.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Being poor enough to need a free voter ID generally means transportation to a further location can be problematic. There are entire counties in Mississippi and Alabama without a full-time DMV. Coincidentally, they are counties with the highest percentages of black people living in them.
    Unless those DMV locations were established with or after the voter ID legislation, I don't see how they could possibly be connected. Overall population is far more likely.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    https://trust.dot.state.wi.us/cscfinder/cscsearch.do
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    8:15am to 4pm on the 5th wednesday of any month.

    edit: edit2: site not operated by correct entity. Laughter retracted.

    Another Wisconsin DMV was only open on tuesdays and alternating wednesdays. The one in Phillips, WI is only open one wednesday every other month. Alabama and Mississippi have some offices only open one day a month.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Being poor enough to need a free voter ID generally means transportation to a further location can be problematic. There are entire counties in Mississippi and Alabama without a full-time DMV. Coincidentally, they are counties with the highest percentages of black people living in them.
    How do you expalin them being registered to vote, in the first place?
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Being poor enough to need a free voter ID generally means transportation to a further location can be problematic. There are entire counties in Mississippi and Alabama without a full-time DMV. Coincidentally, they are counties with the highest percentages of black people living in them.
    They are going to have to get transportation to a further location anyway. From the WI DMV website:
    Sauk City - DL/ID Renewal Office (Sauk County)
    This service center offers RENEWALS ONLY of driver licenses, ID cards, and instruction permits.
    They also issue disabled parking ID cards.
    If you don't already have an ID this center can't help you at all. It looks like it might just be there to assist the elderly and/or disabled citizens at community center with renewals and handicap permits.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'm leery of the argument that "times have changed." I see it as a potential excuse for dramatic alterations against minority rights. I don't raise that argument for gun rights, I won't raise that argument for voting rights.
    What the hell is "minority rights?"

    The right to vote or the right to vote 10 times?

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Anyone catch Scalia's incredibly ridiculous argument against the voting rights act? Un****ing real.

    Basically he said that each subsequent renewal of the act got more votes for and less votes against and therefore he has to step in and go against it because the senators are too scared to vote the way they want. Flat out admitting that he thinks he knows better than our representatives and therefore intends to override our representations' votes.

    The guy is out of control.

    JUSTICE SCALIA: Well, maybe it was making
    that judgment, Mr. Verrilli. But that's -- that's a
    problem that I have. This Court doesn't like to get
    involved in -- in racial questions such as this one.
    It's something that can be left -- left to Congress.

    The problem here, however, is suggested by
    the comment I made earlier, that the initial enactment
    of this legislation in a -- in a time when the need for
    it was so much more abundantly clear was -- in the
    Senate, there -- it was double-digits against it. And
    that was only a 5-year term.

    Then, it is reenacted 5 years later, again
    for a 5-year term. Double-digits against it in the
    Senate. Then it was reenacted for 7 years. Single
    digits against it. Then enacted for 25 years, 8 Senate
    votes against it.

    And this last enactment, not a single vote
    in the Senate against it. And the House is pretty much
    the same.

    Now, I don't think that's attributable to the
    fact that it is so much clearer now that we need this.
    I think it is attributable, very likely attributable, to
    a phenomenon that is called perpetuation of racial
    entitlement. It's been written about. Whenever a
    society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult
    to get out of them through the normal political
    processes.

    I don't think there is anything to be gained
    by any Senator to vote against continuation of this act.
    And I am fairly confident it will be reenacted in
    perpetuity unless -- unless a court can say it does not
    comport with the Constitution. You have to show, when
    you are treating different States differently, that
    there's a good reason for it.

    That's the -- that's the concern that those
    of us who -- who have some questions about this statute
    have. It's -- it's a concern that this is not the kind
    of a question you can leave to Congress. There are
    certain districts in the House that are black districts
    by law just about now. And even the Virginia Senators,
    they have no interest in voting against this. The State
    government is not their government, and they are going
    to lose -- they are going to lose votes if they do not
    reenact the Voting Rights Act.

    Even the name of it is wonderful: The
    Voting Rights Act. Who is going to vote against that in
    the future?

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    Less people are voting against this act that I want them to vote against therefore I will use my lifetime appointement to overrule them. Unbelievable.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Anyone catch Scalia's incredibly ridiculous argument against the voting rights act? Un****ing real.

    Basically he said that each subsequent renewal of the act got more votes for and less votes against and therefore he has to step in and go against it because the senators are too scared to vote the way they want. Flat out admitting that he thinks he knows better than our representatives and therefore intends to override our representations' votes.



    Less people are voting against this act that I want them to vote against therefore I will use my lifetime appointement to overrule them. Unbelievable.
    Much of his queries sounded of 'devil's advocate' and the portion you posted was quite cogent when considered unbiased and in origination. I heard/saw no reference to him indicating his intention…except maybe this:

    JUSTICE SCALIA: We looked behind it in Boerne. I'm not talking about dismissing it. I'm -I'm talking about looking at it to see whether it makes any sense.
    What am I missing?
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Dickieboy View Post
    Much of his queries sounded of 'devil's advocate' and the portion you posted was quite cogent when considered unbiased and in origination. I heard/saw no reference to him indicating his intention…except maybe this:



    What am I missing?
    Devil's advocate would explain it reasonably but he called it a problem when referring the to voting patterns as indicated in the 2nd paragraph of the quote. Even more specifically in the first paragraph where he indicated that he himself had a problem with it. Which would seem that its not a devil's advocate position he's taking but rather his own position.
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