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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Personally, I'd like to see it applied to all states.

    Back to topic, I don't believe the SCOTUS is hearing this case with resolving the conflict of article 4 vs article 1. So if they are to abide by the Constitution as you said you want, they need to butt the **** out of this altogether.
    Did you entirely miss the point here or was this just a really poorly written response?

    The SCOTUS job right now is to strike down the laws as currently applied, not "butt out".

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Did you entirely miss the point here or was this just a really poorly written response?

    The SCOTUS job right now is to strike down the laws as currently applied, not "butt out".
    It is possible that this could fall under the equal protection clause.
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    I think Republican efforts regarding voter ID laws are sufficient proof the law is still required.

    Yes, let's require ID's to "secure the election." And just by pure coincidence, we'll scale back services at the facilities where you'd get these ID's in heavily minority/Democrat districts. Surely they wont need the office open more than 5 days a year, right? Closing down at 4pm?

    Meanwhile, we'll completely ignore absentee ballots, which result in the majority of actual voter fraud but happen to lean slightly Republican.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    I too think it should be applied to all states equally.....which his to say, it should not be applied to any state at all.

    the courts can settle disputes as they arise.. the federal government should not preemptively infringe on rightful state powers.
    the Constitution leaves most voting rights in the hands of the states... we should stick to that document on the issue.


    doing away with the VRA does not equate to doing away with voting rights..supporting the act being overturned does not equate to supporting discrimination either.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    As long as there is gerrymandering, jury rigging the results of elections way before the first vote is cast, this nation will never have fair elections. I think gerrymandering should also be looked at by the SCOTUS. I will add another item to this discussion, the minority majority district's. These districts actually help the Republicans as the majority of minorities who normally vote for democrats can all be placed into one district leaving the rest more white and more republican than what would be if you split up minorities around the state. Here in Georgia putting most of the blacks into 4 districts guarentees the election of 4 black Democrats, that leaves 9 other districts which only one white democrat was elected along with 8 white republicans. If John Barrow runs for the senate here in Georgia in 2014, look for the republicans to pick up his seat. I would say having 9 out of 13 house seats in republicans hands, I am sure they are more than willing to let the 4 majority black districts stand.
    Basically it sounds like you're saying this. If you split up the minority voters, its gerrymandering in favor of the GOP. If you give them their own district, its gerrymandering in favor of the GOP. So if the minority voters can neither be split up, nor strewn together, then what exactly should we do with them?

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Basically it sounds like you're saying this. If you split up the minority voters, its gerrymandering in favor of the GOP. If you give them their own district, its gerrymandering in favor of the GOP. So if the minority voters can neither be split up, nor strewn together, then what exactly should we do with them?
    No that was not what I said or perhaps not what I wanted to say. I favor an approach that would keep counties whole as much as possible. End all the snake formed districts. Doing away with majority minority districts, keeping counties whole instead of dividing a country into 3 or 4 districts would be an honest way of drawing the districts. I think with this type of districting those Majority minority districts that usually go democratic by a 80-20 margin would spread those votes around and give us a more accurate representation in the House than what we do now. Did you know last year the Democratic House candidate received approximately 2 million more votes than the GOP candidates, yet the GOP easily retain control.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    I've often said a computer should be used that mathematically distributes districts as uniformly as possible, taking only population into account, no other demographics whatsoever.

    but let's face it. The people in charge of making that change are the very people who benefit from the current system.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I've often said a computer should be used that mathematically distributes districts as uniformly as possible, taking only population into account, no other demographics whatsoever.

    but let's face it. The people in charge of making that change are the very people who benefit from the current system.
    I have mixed feelings about the computer, but it would definitely be better to form the districts solely by population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I have mixed feelings about the computer, but it would definitely be better to form the districts solely by population.
    Districts should be drawn as near to square as is possible. Draw a square in the middle of the state that holds about 650K people and work your way out, violated the square-rule only as you approach the borders.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    I thought about starting on any states eastern border and moving a north-south line west until the minimum number is met.
    keep doing this until you hit the west end of the state.
    The actual method does not matter, as long as it is consistent.

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