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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    I don't think the VRA is a type of affirmative action. Affirmative action tends to be proactive attempts to alter and increase certain demographics, such as outreach, programs, quotas, etc. The VRA only prevents policies or laws that discriminate, it's more reactive and in my opinion not affirmative action.
    Are you kidding me? It specifically allows judges to ensure that minorities are not "under represented", meaning that, in practice, majority minority districts are virtually required. It also applies only to a few "historically bad" states, that "list" was determined ONCE back in 1965 (are we talking about a "time capsule" based law?), no state has ever been removed from it, yet 3 were later added, which seems to be in clear violation of the 14th amendment. To allow the exact same law in a "good" state that is denied as discriminatory in a "bad" state is insane. What is used to make a challenge under the VRA? Hint it is not constitutional to demand that a law be proven not to be discriminatory unless preclearance is required, that is only in 16 states - in all of the others you must prove that a law is discriminatory. Obviously any change in Texas voting law is assumed to be discriminatory unless proven otherwise, it has to be "precleared" and tus judges rather than our elected officials then get to make the district boundary lines. What goes unsaid is that reace and ethnicity are the primary factors used in that alleged "colorblind" and "outside" decision.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I understand. But this, the minority majority districts really help the Republicans. When a party can receive 53-54% of the vote and yet win 70% of all congressional districts, who can argue with the results.
    National performance is irrelevant when it comes to the Congressional makeup. One could just as easily argue how does a party that wins 70% of all CD's not have a majority in the Senate.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep. That is the really sad part, fairness would be seen as unfair. These "affirmative action" districts, that make it a shoe-in for minority (demorat?) candidates, also make it more difficult for demorats to win in the others. If the districts were more "fair" there would be far, far fewer minority candidates that could get elected. It is easy to make demorat districts, simply load them with minorities, it is not quite so easy to do the same for republicants.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Devolved into childish namecalling have we?
    Fair and balanced; demorats and republicants - neither capitalized for proper disrespect.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    It isn't just the South. In South Dakota, Title 5 also applies because of the history of that state not giving Native Americans the vote.
    I believe it applies in Alaska as well.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Not really.

    You want an amendment, while I just want them to read the God damn thing they are sworn to protect.
    US Constitution Article I Section IV

    The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

    So... the question is, why is the SCOTUS legislating from the bench when the Constitution right there states that its a matter of congress to decide?
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    US Constitution Article I Section IV

    The times, places and manner of holding elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations, except as to the places of choosing Senators.

    So... the question is, why is the SCOTUS legislating from the bench when the Constitution right there states that its a matter of congress to decide?

    Congress would have to do it for all states, not just specific ones they arbitrarily select. People can't be treated differently just because they reside in different states.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    Congress would have to do it for all states, not just specific ones they arbitrarily select. People can't be treated differently just because they reside in different states.
    That's not what that article in the Constitution says.

    the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    That's not what that article in the Constitution says.

    the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations
    You might not believe it, but there are other parts of the constitution, too.

    The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    You might not believe it, but there are other parts of the constitution, too.

    The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
    Personally, I'd like to see it applied to all states.

    Back to topic, I don't believe the SCOTUS is hearing this case with resolving the conflict of article 4 vs article 1. So if they are to abide by the Constitution as you said you want, they need to butt the **** out of this altogether.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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