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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    How about if we just let them and everyone else in the USA live wherever they want to live and eliminate gerrymandering for any purpose?

    What's wrong with that idea?



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    The only way I'd agree with that is if we just did all of the elections on a state rather then district level.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    All they need is for the voter ID laws to slightly disproportionately affect people who vote blue.
    But these are offices that been in the same place well before the talk of voter ID laws started. I don't see how their location is related.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the problems my county has can be best addressed by those who live in my county regardless of skin color. But that is just my opinion



    I agree with you 100 percent, and I am sure that the vast majority of Americans would agree with you if it wasn't for politics. That's the efficient way of doing things.

    But most of the people who support "states rights" and "home rule" will never support doing away their 'right' to gerrymander districts to their advantage. I'll let you figure out who most of those people are.

    Imagine what those districts will look like in the not-distant future when Whites stop being the majority of the U.S. population.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Districts should be drawn as near to square as is possible. Draw a square in the middle of the state that holds about 650K people and work your way out, violated the square-rule only as you approach the borders.


    Works for me.

    At the least, it would give us a good starting point as to where to put counties.

    Maybe it should be taken out of the hands of the states and done by a national, non-partisan, commission.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Pilot View Post
    Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act


    If we're going to keep Preclearance, it needs to apply to everyone, not just select states and counties. Things have changed and I don't see how theses select Southern areas are so much more likely to attempt discriminatory voting practices that they should be singled out.
    Good for the SCOTUS. All laws should apply to all citizens equally. While some may fear or dislike the outcome of such a reversal, the fact remains that it is a prejudicial law that should never of been allowed in the first place.
    Only a fool measures equality by results and not opportunities.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I agree with you 100 percent, and I am sure that the vast majority of Americans would agree with you if it wasn't for politics. That's the efficient way of doing things.

    But most of the people who support "states rights" and "home rule" will never support doing away their 'right' to gerrymander districts to their advantage. I'll let you figure out who most of those people are.

    Imagine what those districts will look like in the not-distant future when Whites stop being the majority of the U.S. population.
    The VRA, however, does not do away with gerrymandering, it simply mandates a new way of doing exactly that.
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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I agree with you 100 percent, and I am sure that the vast majority of Americans would agree with you if it wasn't for politics. That's the efficient way of doing things.

    But most of the people who support "states rights" and "home rule" will never support doing away their 'right' to gerrymander districts to their advantage. I'll let you figure out who most of those people are.

    Imagine what those districts will look like in the not-distant future when Whites stop being the majority of the U.S. population.
    A very interesting thought. Today with whites in the majority we do have the majority minority districts, black districts, Hispanic districts and even an Asian district or two. That leaves the rest to the whites where a minority of whites, Republicans who receives less votes than the other party can still win a comfortable majority in the House. But on the other hand when the Democrats controlled the House from 1932 to 1994 for all but 4 years, they won control of the house in 29 of 31 elections, but the republicans received the majority of votes in 13 elections and had control in only 2. So yes, both parties utilize gerrymandering to the max to benefit them.

    When whites do become a minority, I wonder if majority minority districts will be done away with or will those whites demand their own majority minority districts. It is my hope that they will be done away with for basically the reason I cited in my previous post. Perhaps even an end gerrymandering by leaving as many counties as whole as possible will become a reality. Perhaps the present day minorities will be more interested in fair elections than the whites of today tomorrow. Time will tell.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The VRA, however, does not do away with gerrymandering, it simply mandates a new way of doing exactly that.


    Then we need to change that.

    Immediately.

    We don't need no stinking gerrymandering!

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Then we need to change that.

    Immediately.

    We don't need no stinking gerrymandering!

    I agree. Gerrymandering and majority minority districts are just another for of segregation. Legal segregation that determines how districts are drawn by the color of ones skin and whether the voter is a Republican or Democrat.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Supreme Court raises doubts about Voting Rights Act

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    What the hell is "minority rights?"


    How about : Having the same rights that the majority has?

    Does that work for you?



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