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Woman fired for having sex

Perhaps having a curriculum and following it with any success are two separate issues.

What we do know is that the USA is dropping according to international standards while countries we once thought of as 'third world' are advancing. I doubt that Christian schools are contributing a great deal to this decline.Best Education In The World: Finland, South Korea Top Country Rankings, U.S. Rated Average

The US is not dropping according to any standards. Student achievement is on the rise, and, if you compare apples to apples, middle class to middle class that is, we're on a par with other nations.

If you have been taught the "critical thinking skills" outlined in the standards I've posted, you'll understand that you can't take at face value everything spewed out of rant radio.
 
Actually you don't see or you wouldn't have asked such a question. In fact a Christian school fits in well with the first amendment.

Where do you think any changes need be made?

A Christian school is fine with the First Amendment until and unless it becomes a state supported Christian school teaching the Christian belief system. At that point, it violates that amendment, just as a madrassa would do.
 
She signed a contract. She didn't have to take a job at San Diego Christian College. She chose to work there, she was well aware of the rules beforehand, she chose to take the job with the full understanding that those rules, if broken, could cause her to be terminated.

She broke the rules, and she got fired.

I don't see the problem with this.
 
No question she broke the contract; I don't think that's what's in question. But do we really want to let employers dictate our private lives? Do they have a right to ask employees to sign such a ridiculous contract promising things that have nothing to do with the ability to perform the job well?
 
No question she broke the contract; I don't think that's what's in question. But do we really want to let employers dictate our private lives? Do they have a right to ask employees to sign such a ridiculous contract promising things that have nothing to do with the ability to perform the job well?

She could have worked somewhere else! Don't employers have a right to hire whomever they want?

If I have money burning a hole in my pocket, and I want to start a business and hire somebody, shouldn't I get to spend my money the way I want, and hire whomever I want?

If not, maybe I'd be better off just keeping my money.

If this were a public school, my opinion would be different. This was a private institution. We're talking about a Christian school being forced to hire someone whose values are not consistent with their own, and I feel their rights are being infringed on.

Would we ask a Muslim school to hire someone who refused to wear a headdress and packed pork sandwiches for lunch every day?
 
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She could have worked somewhere else! Don't employers have a right to hire whomever they want?

If I have money burning a hole in my pocket, and I want to start a business and hire somebody, shouldn't I get to spend my money the way I want, and hire whomever I want?

If not, maybe I'd be better off just keeping my money.

If you have discriminatory hiring practices, the law says you don't get to hire whoever you want. I would say it is discriminatory to only hire Christians or those who promise to live by Christian morals when not at work.
 
If you have discriminatory hiring practices, the law says you don't get to hire whoever you want. I would say it is discriminatory to only hire Christians or those who promise to live by Christian morals when not at work.

I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that's the intent of the anti-discrimination laws we have on the books.

If all they wanted to do was fire people for having pre-marital sex, I think that's legal.

What raised an eyebrow to me was the ban on hiring homosexuals. I don't think that one will fly.

I think you can discriminate against a behavior - such as premarital sex. I don't think you can discriminate against something you're either born with or can't change, such as race or gender.

Homosexuality, generally, is considered to be something you're born with... at least I believe that's how the courts would see it. For the school to win, they would have to prove that homosexuality is a choice, which I don't think they could do.
 
If you have discriminatory hiring practices, the law says you don't get to hire whoever you want. I would say it is discriminatory to only hire Christians or those who promise to live by Christian morals when not at work.

Correct. Banning premarital sex out of the workplace probably won't hold water.
 
Does anyone know anyone who would allow anyone else to "regulate" their sex life ?........................
 
Correct. Banning premarital sex out of the workplace probably won't hold water.
Even if the employee signed a contract prohibiting it?

A colleague of mine was fired for behavior away from work. He was a band teacher, and a darned good one at that. He brought the music program out of apathy and to the point that most of the kids wanted to be in band. He had an award winning music program going.

But, he had sex with an underage girl, a 16 year old who wouldn't have been considered "underage" in some other states, but is here in California.

She was not his student, not connected in any way with his work.

Should he have been fired for that? personally, I don't think the school district had any other option. What do you think?
 
I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think that's the intent of the anti-discrimination laws we have on the books.

If all they wanted to do was fire people for having pre-marital sex, I think that's legal.

What raised an eyebrow to me was the ban on hiring homosexuals. I don't think that one will fly.

I think you can discriminate against a behavior - such as premarital sex. I don't think you can discriminate against something you're either born with or can't change, such as race or gender.

Homosexuality, generally, is considered to be something you're born with... at least I believe that's how the courts would see it. For the school to win, they would have to prove that homosexuality is a choice, which I don't think they could do.

I agree with you on the homosexuality thing. There's no question that's discriminatory. But this company basically fired a woman for being pregnant. And there is a long standing precedent that that is discrimination also.
 
I agree with you on the homosexuality thing. There's no question that's discriminatory. But this company basically fired a woman for being pregnant. And there is a long standing precedent that that is discrimination also.

I believe that's why the school said they fired her for premarital sex, not for being pregnant. I believe that's why the woman's lawyer emphasized that as well. I think for her to win her case, she would have to show that she was fired for being pregnant, and not for having premarital sex.
 
In many cases those classes are protected because people fought hard to get laws banning discrimination passed. I think we should also include a broader right to privacy and free expression that would make most off-work activities protected from employment impact.

Religions deserve just enough exemption to fulfill their religious purpose. Certainly a religious group should be allowed to impose special requirements on its leadership and minsiters etc, but if its a large operation employing dozens or more people, such as hospital, it should not be allowed to discriminate with most positions any more than other businesses or organizations can.

RapidAlpaca is correct that anti-discrimination laws usually trump contracts in court. That is why racist neighborhood covenants are no longer enforceable.

Where is the discrimination here? Religions are different from the rest of society in that they may follow different rules and beliefs. We are free to either join with those beliefs or ignore them. That's our freedom of choice and they must respect it, just as we must respect their rights and beliefs.None should force their belief on others without their consent.

Certainly human rights cannot be ignored but we must also keep in mind that the idea of human rights arose from Christian principles.
 
A Christian school is fine with the First Amendment until and unless it becomes a state supported Christian school teaching the Christian belief system. At that point, it violates that amendment, just as a madrassa would do.

The First Amendment says nothing about state supported schools, only that the State cannot establish a religion. I don't know what religion this school follows but it is generally accepted that Christianity is a philosophy and various religions grew from this philosophy.
 
The US is not dropping according to any standards. Student achievement is on the rise, and, if you compare apples to apples, middle class to middle class that is, we're on a par with other nations.

If you have been taught the "critical thinking skills" outlined in the standards I've posted, you'll understand that you can't take at face value everything spewed out of rant radio.

Don't get 'rant radio' here, Just googled and read the stats.
 
I believe that's why the school said they fired her for premarital sex, not for being pregnant. I believe that's why the woman's lawyer emphasized that as well. I think for her to win her case, she would have to show that she was fired for being pregnant, and not for having premarital sex.

It seems that lawyers are always fighting for more rights and freedoms while we wind up having fewer and fewer of them.

Why not let the Christian school alone, let a contract be honored, and allow people get on with their lives.
 
It seems that lawyers are always fighting for more rights and freedoms while we wind up having fewer and fewer of them.

Why not let the Christian school alone, let a contract be honored, and allow people get on with their lives.

Christians, Christianity, and Christian institutions are very much legitimate targets in today's world.......................
 
Don't get 'rant radio' here, Just googled and read the stats.

Check 'em out again, and remember to compare middle class to middle class. We're not doing poorly except in poor neighborhoods, and that has more to do with family life than it does with the schools.
 
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