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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It's not a great situation.

    It's not really a good policy, IMO.

    But ultimately, if you don't want to abide by the terms of a contract, you shouldn't sign it. And she did. And then she didn't abide by the rules in that contract. Breaking your word and violating a contract can have consequences.
    Yea but is the contract at all valid/legal? I know in Denmark it would not be legal at all.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea but is the contract at all valid/legal? I know in Denmark it would not be legal at all.
    How could it NOT be legal? On what basis would one be precluded from a voluntary contract of employment?

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe contract law applies across the board. Do secular schools have contracts where teachers can be fired for having sex out of wedlock? Can a secular school fire a teacher for cohabitating.

    THAT is my means test, if the Church wishes to engage in secular enterprizes, hospitals, general education schools they conform with secular world.
    No, but morals clauses do exist in secular contracts and they are enforceable. So it passes that means test.

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    What amazes me is the idea ANY Church, much less a Catholic one fails the Jesus test. Jesus didn't cast out the sinner, the prositute, the leper.
    Couple things, first, Jesus is the gold standard. Being the son of God the bar is set a bit higher. And second, Jesus may not have cast out the sinner, but he did counsel repentence and did speak against those who did not admit their sin.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Again, she should have just claimed spontaneous pregnancy, perhaps by the Holy Spirit. Christians believe that is possible.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe contract law applies across the board. Do secular schools have contracts where teachers can be fired for having sex out of wedlock? Can a secular school fire a teacher for cohabitating.
    Of course they can. I don't know any off hand that do, but it's within their ability.

    Everyone has right to contract.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by notquiteright View Post
    I believe contract law applies across the board. Do secular schools have contracts where teachers can be fired for having sex out of wedlock? Can a secular school fire a teacher for cohabitating.

    THAT is my means test, if the Church wishes to engage in secular enterprizes, hospitals, general education schools they conform with secular world.

    What amazes me is the idea ANY Church, much less a Catholic one fails the Jesus test. Jesus didn't cast out the sinner, the prositute, the leper.
    I'm not an apologist for any Church, but did this institution cast her out? Or did they simply hold her to the terms of her contract? And yes, a Catholic school has the right to discriminate in its hiring based on the teachings of the Church, whether you like it or not - this right is constitutionally based and is affirmed in the Civil Rights Act passed into law and signed by President Johnson.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Again, she should have just claimed spontaneous pregnancy, perhaps by the Holy Spirit. Christians believe that is possible.
    The lack of that pesky hymen would probably stand in the way of that claim.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    That excuse only worked ONE time - you can't reuse it.
    Sure she can. It's a Christian school. They can't prove it didn't happen that way short of an exam to see if she really is a virgin which is likely outside their comfort zone. We've been waiting a long time for Him to come back.

    And yes, I am a Christian.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The lack of that pesky hymen would probably stand in the way of that claim.
    A) She doesn't have to prove she has a hymen, because that would be a violation of her medical rights.

    B) She may have had sex prior to signing the contract, or perhaps lost her hymen in gym class or riding a horse.

    Yeah, I would have gone with "immaculate conception." There is a precedent, you know....
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    She was terminated for having violated an agreement she signed as a condition of employment. It's hard to fault anyone for that.
    You can if the agreement was draconian, unconscionable, and not within the rights of the employer to make as a condition for something as necessary as employment.
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