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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Absolutely agree that society benefits from an educated populace. My point was related more to vouchers and ensuring that a parent's choice of school isn't prejudiced by the amount of benefit received by the parent vis-a-vis what other parents receive. I'm not arguing that people don't have an obligation to support society even if they don't access every benefit that society offers - roads are not funded just by drivers and public transit is not funded just by those who ride the bus, as examples - but, in the transportation example, two people who ride buses should not pay a differing fare just because they take a different bus in the same jurisdiction.

    I think we agree far more than we disagree - and I should make it clear that I'm not religious, practicing or otherwise, I'm simply speaking to the legal aspects of constitutional law and discriminatory practices based on the constitutional rights of individuals and identified groups.
    I think we do.

    We may have a little different point of view on the issue of teaching religion paid for by tax dollars. Doing so in the USA would be a clear violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. In Canada, of course, the laws are not the same. Still, you don't have an official state religion there do you?
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    A woman fired for having sex? That's not news. A woman arrested for having sex with a pit bull? Now that's news.
    Now, that's just gross.

    Vandereyk appeared to be under the influence of drugs or was mentally ill, according to the report.
    Gee... ya think?
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Maenad View Post
    And no one on here gets what the issue is. This is NOT a freedom of religion issue. This is a simple employment issue. Did they give her the rules? Did she agree to them? Did she break them? That's it. All the bickering over religion is moot. Remember when the muslim business fired the woman for eating a BLT? Same difference.
    Except it's not moot. In the US you can't be discriminated against for employment for: (according to the EEOC)

    - religion
    - race
    - gender
    - age
    - sexual orientation
    - disability
    - genetic disease
    - pregnancy
    - childbirth

    The only thing on that list that is your own decision is religion, which is not a constitutionally protected right in the work place. The only laws that protect religion in the work place are these same discrimination laws.

    Whether anyone here agrees whether or not all of these things should be things companies can't discriminate on, they are regardless. Seeing as how they're there, why would we not want to cover marital status, or the most natural and important thing to human life: procreation?
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I see. So, should the First Amendment be amended to make Christianity the official religion of the country?
    Actually you don't see or you wouldn't have asked such a question. In fact a Christian school fits in well with the first amendment.

    Where do you think any changes need be made?

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If you look at what public schools are required to teach, you will quickly see that the idea that they are not teaching the three R's is a myth. Here is a link to what has to be taught in California as an example. Take a look at it and then tell the rest of us which parts are political and not academic.
    Perhaps having a curriculum and following it with any success are two separate issues.

    What we do know is that the USA is dropping according to international standards while countries we once thought of as 'third world' are advancing. I doubt that Christian schools are contributing a great deal to this decline.Best Education In The World: Finland, South Korea Top Country Rankings, U.S. Rated Average

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    People who elect to send their children to a private school of any sort are due a tax break, yes.
    Where's my tax break for not even having children? I saved the government even more money on schools, playgrounds etc.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you deny that Christian or other private schools are not required to teach the same basics as part of their accreditation? They must meet the standards of the jurisdiction, otherwise the children who go to these schools would not receive state sanctioned certificates of achievement.

    I would acknowledge, however, that there isn't a school on the planet that doesn't have teachers who aren't political in some way and that seeps through regardless of any attempts to stop it - people are political, just a fact of life - unless robots or computers become the teachers of the future all education will be mired in someone's politics inevitably.
    Teachers are not only political they, and their unions, tend to be political in a leftist direction only. That is quite likely why there is such animosity towards religious schools.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I think we do.

    We may have a little different point of view on the issue of teaching religion paid for by tax dollars. Doing so in the USA would be a clear violation of the First Amendment to the Constitution. In Canada, of course, the laws are not the same. Still, you don't have an official state religion there do you?
    Where is this "clear violation of the first amendment"?

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Teachers are not only political they, and their unions, tend to be political in a leftist direction only. That is quite likely why there is such animosity towards religious schools.
    No, that's because many christians tend to label every teacher that doesn't peddle creationism in class as "leftist", regardless of what their political views might be.

    There's nothing leftist about evolution, it's called science, and it isn't part of any political party.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Except it's not moot. In the US you can't be discriminated against for employment for: (according to the EEOC)

    - religion
    - race
    - gender
    - age
    - sexual orientation
    - disability
    - genetic disease
    - pregnancy
    - childbirth

    The only thing on that list that is your own decision is religion, which is not a constitutionally protected right in the work place. The only laws that protect religion in the work place are these same discrimination laws.

    Whether anyone here agrees whether or not all of these things should be things companies can't discriminate on, they are regardless. Seeing as how they're there, why would we not want to cover marital status, or the most natural and important thing to human life: procreation?
    If she was not artificially inseminated then she broke the "premarital sex rule" period. Has nothing to do with discrimination as it has literally nothing to do with being pregnant or childbirth.
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