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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by EagleAye View Post
    Can anyone say for certain whether a "no premarital sex" clause in a contract is even legal and binding?
    I'm 99% sure if the employer is a faith-based non-profit and sex only between married couples of the opposite gender is a key principle of their faith, then its protected under the First Amendment. The faith-based non-profit I once worked was the asked to join the legal case that established the precedent that allowed non-profits in its sector to not have to follow EEOC rules because of the First Amendment I think in part because women and minorities made up more than hale of the staff. I remember specifically seeing a brief that used a hypothetical where if an order of Catholic nuns operated a similar non-profit, then by virtue of its faith-based nature no men nor married women could be hired for certain leadership roles arguing the the First Amendment should take precedent over EEOC rules.
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    Historically black schools. They accept all races, though. In fact, each of those schools has white students who attend. Don't blame them for your flawed assumptions.

    Very true. I was watching a college football game between an historically black university and an NCAA Division I university in the Big East Conference on TV (FAMU vs. USF). There were more white students playing for the black university than the non-historically black university; at least the offensive line of FAMU compared to USF's defensive line. USF won, as in case you were wondering. This same historically black university has a College of Law where most if its students are white.

    BTW: there are loads of historically black institutions throughout America including colleges, churches, advocacy groups, fraternities, etc. It should be noted the reason they were founded is because at the time they were started blacks were banned from joining the mainstream organizations due to race. Today anyone can join the mainstream groups regardless of race but now there is history, tradition and heritage that is important to the members of the historically black groups. If your fraternity was started as a "black group" because blacks weren't allowed in mainstream fraternities, society progresses and now blacks can join the frats they were once banned from joining, you don't want YOUR fraternity to have to close down in response. The same is true for black churches, black universities, the Miss Black America pageant, etc. You simply keep it going and continue to be inclusive of other races despite its black roots. I was watching the NAACP Image Awards show on TV the other night. It was nice to see so many non-blacks honored by the group for their contributions in promoting racial diversity.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm 99% sure if the employer is a faith-based non-profit and sex only between married couples of the opposite gender is a key principle of their faith, then its protected under the First Amendment. The faith-based non-profit I once worked was the asked to join the legal case that established the precedent that allowed non-profits in its sector to not have to follow EEOC rules because of the First Amendment I think in part because women and minorities made up more than hale of the staff. I remember specifically seeing a brief that used a hypothetical where if an order of Catholic nuns operated a similar non-profit, then by virtue of its faith-based nature no men nor married women could be hired for certain leadership roles arguing the the First Amendment should take precedent over EEOC rules.
    yes, and such a faith based institution is to be applauded.

    It is not, however, to be supported by tax money any more than the local Lutheran (or whatever) church is to be so supported.

    The local church has every right to excommunicate members who engage in fornication, or any other action that they see as a sin. They just can't take any government money to support their faith.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    yes, and such a faith based institution is to be applauded.

    It is not, however, to be supported by tax money any more than the local Lutheran (or whatever) church is to be so supported.

    The local church has every right to excommunicate members who engage in fornication, or any other action that they see as a sin. They just can't take any government money to support their faith.
    We didn't get any government money other than donors were allowed to write off their donations as tax deductible charitable gifts like churches, the Salvation Army, hospitals, universities and other non-profits can do.

    This doesn't mean its okay to kick a pregnant women on the street so that she loses her income and health insurance or apply rules in an unfair way were men or relatives of the leadership who are also employed by the group are treated differently on moral grounds, IMHO. I just think they need to self-regulate and always err on the side of love.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    And it's very simple: there are some things that employers can not discriminate against, IE: religion, sexual orientation, gender, etc. Why do they think that they deserve protected class status for believing in a sky man with magical powers, yet someone can be discriminated against for marital status or performing natural human acts in the privacy of her bedroom?
    I do not believe orientation is a part of current EEOC protection.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    yes, and such a faith based institution is to be applauded.

    It is not, however, to be supported by tax money any more than the local Lutheran (or whatever) church is to be so supported.

    The local church has every right to excommunicate members who engage in fornication, or any other action that they see as a sin. They just can't take any government money to support their faith.
    That would mean that the parents of these students are paying into the school system they prefer (Christian) while still paying into the system they, and many others, find second rate. Vouchers are the only fair way to go.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
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    She did sign some kind of agreement about not doing it. They only found out because she was pregnant, so ironically if she had gotten an abortion it would have been a-ok.
    I used to screw my female coworkers, even customers...

    I suppose 19 is a fun age...

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I used to screw my female coworkers, even customers...

    I suppose 19 is a fun age...
    When's a good age to stop? I haven't found it yet.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    When's a good age to stop? I haven't found it yet.
    Who knows?, I'm 33 now if it matters haha. I'm still at it, I'm just a bit more conservative.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Nick View Post
    I'm still at it, I'm just a bit more conservative.
    Aim for the stomach instead of the face, you mean?
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