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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    Black is characteristic of a person's physical being. Sexual activity is a willful behavior and as such a choice. She didn't have to sign the agreement. Her employer was a Christian para-church organization. Many such groups have policies that ask staff to lead lives consistent with Christian teaching, especially if they're asked to serve as role models to impressionable children.

    As someone who once worked for a similar para-church organization I understand the importance to the organization's mission for its staff to lead Christian lives. At the same time I've seen what I consider to be unreasonable abuses and a lack of compassion when dealing with such cases. I wouldn't have publicly shamed the lady nor would I have kicked a vulnerable pregnant lady on the streets who needed to support herself and have health insurance especially at a time in her life when she needed it most. I also think in such cases its important to not automatically assume she was having her sexual fun and got pregnant as rape does happen. I have a friend who was raped as a teenager, never explained to her dad the circumstances of her pregnancy and essentially treated her like, bad enough if she got pregnant the usual way and insulting to injury considering her was sexually assaulted.

    Its a difficult situation because her job involved working with kids who's parents were likely told their kid's education would be in a manner supportive of Christian values and a Biblical world view; in this case reinforcing family values that encourages their children to refrain from sex until marriage. I think under the circumstance I would have preferred seeing her reassigned to a role that didn't involve contact with kids for a the rest of the school year with no change in pay of healthcare benefits. Depending on the age on the kids, willingness of parents and willingness of the teacher, if she did get pregnant as a result of rape I might even support having gender segregated classes where the kids (teens) could be told what happened using it as an opportunity to educate the kids on the dangers of the world, personal safety precautions, Q&A and how to show compassion for rape victims maybe with help from law enforcement and the medical community. Again, only if everyone is agreeable. I certainly wouldn't want to 'make' a rape victim go public unless she wanted to and if not just give her an office job for a year.
    I understand your position. However, I don't see how we can have protected classes like homosexuals or christians, yet don't protect a woman who had natural human intercourse in the privacy of her bedroom. If a company had made an employee sign a "I won't be christian" contract, then it turned out later he or she was christian and was fired, these same very people who cry about "individual right to contract" would be bitching about religious freedom.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

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    Then it appears that we are in agreement that the government needs to get out of the student loan business and let daddy or the private market fund the education. Or maybe the student could just funds it themselves.
    Not entirely. The student loan system is useful, it just needs to be massively reformed so that the money is no longer wasted on ****ty, overpriced schools that have no interest in helping students.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Not entirely. The student loan system is useful, it just needs to be massively reformed so that the money is no longer wasted on ****ty, overpriced schools that have no interest in helping students.
    And who, exactly, would get to be the one(s) that decide whether or not a school is overpriced or whether it is interested in helping students?

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    And who, exactly, would get to be the one(s) that decide whether or not a school is overpriced or whether it is interested in helping students?
    It would be based on statistics. Graduation rates, cost per credit hour, average starting income of people who graduate from the university, etc. coupled with school rankings from outside ranking services. An unranked school that costs two or three times as much and a lower graduation than most ranked schools that offer similar programs and have higher graduation rates shouldn't be getting federal money at all, for example.

    It gets rid of waste.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I understand your position. However, I don't see how we can have protected classes like homosexuals or christians, yet don't protect a woman who had natural human intercourse in the privacy of her bedroom. If a company had made an employee sign a "I won't be christian" contract, then it turned out later he or she was christian and was fired, these same very people who cry about "individual right to contract" would be bitching about religious freedom.
    I'm not an expert on constitutional law but faith-based non-profit organizations, like the one I once worked for and like I assume the school she worked for, are EXEMPT from EEOC laws. Likewise, if an anti-faith-based non-profit who's mission statement is at some level to promote atheism as a world view, then I think they can require its staff and its board of directors to be atheists under the same First Amendment. If someone later converts to Christianity, a good thing , then the group has a right to terminate his/her employment with the group.

    FYI:, none of this applies to for-profit businesses, just non-profits that are faith based (or no-faith-based).
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I'm not an expert on constitutional law but faith-based non-profit organizations, like the one I once worked for and like I assume the school she worked for, are EXEMPT from EEOC laws. Likewise, if an anti-faith-based non-profit who's mission statement is at some level to promote atheism as a world view, then I think they can require its staff and its board of directors to be atheists under the same First Amendment. If someone later converts to Christianity, a good thing , then the group has a right to terminate his/her employment with the group.

    FYI:, none of this applies to for-profit businesses, just non-profits that are faith based (or no-faith-based).
    She worked for a college, which is naturally profit based. I just find it insanely contradictory that most christians would lose their **** if they were discriminated against for their religion, but they feel like they're special enough to discriminate based on natural, private human behavior or marital status.

    According to the bible, there are no gradients of sin. Every sin is considered equally as evil in the eyes of god. It's also said in the bible that simply occupying a human body is a sin. So why do these intolerant people discriminate against someone whose sin is equal to their own?
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

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    Why do you stand a snowballs chance of getting into those schools?
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I understand your position. However, I don't see how we can have protected classes like homosexuals or christians, yet don't protect a woman who had natural human intercourse in the privacy of her bedroom. If a company had made an employee sign a "I won't be christian" contract, then it turned out later he or she was christian and was fired, these same very people who cry about "individual right to contract" would be bitching about religious freedom.
    I'd be happy if those people simply agreed that the Catholic Church should be brought up on charges for RICO violations. That there was a vast Catholic conspiracy to molest and cover up the molestation of thousands of children. But..hey, "Freedumb of Religion" trumps any sense of logic and makes justice a joke.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    She worked for a college, which is naturally profit based. I just find it insanely contradictory that most christians would lose their **** if they were discriminated against for their religion, but they feel like they're special enough to discriminate based on natural, private human behavior or marital status.

    According to the bible, there are no gradients of sin. Every sin is considered equally as evil in the eyes of god. It's also said in the bible that simply occupying a human body is a sin. So why do these intolerant people discriminate against someone whose sin is equal to their own?
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    The christians are at it again.

    If I sign a ridiculous contract saying that I won't be black, then turn out to be black later, should I be fired for that too?

    What a foolish comparison.

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