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Woman fired for having sex

just curious, if someone was a beer drinker and was fired for drinking beer on their own time, would you say that they sucked at their job, too?

Was that a real question, or did you want a complimentary HAHA GOOD ONE! and then move on?

Gee, I'm sorry that the mean ol' oppressive church hurt your hyper-liberal, hyper-atheist sensitivities - but I don't think it's an excuse for hyperbole.
 
and maybe away from her job as well.

That doesn't get you pregnant though. At least I don't think so. There's a few videos out there I may have to watch later. You know, as part of my research.
 
It wasn't part of her job description, it was a seperate morals clause. She did sign it, so I don't think she's really in the right here.

However, this only happened because she's a woman who got pregnant. If she were a man, or didn't get pregnant, she would not have been fired because nobody would have known.

You mean like the star basketball player for BYU who got kicked off the team (and maybe out of school - can't remember for sure) for having premarital sex with his girlfriend?

There may be a double standard as to how you can discover if someone broke the rules, but you really can't argue about infractions being biased.
 
Ohh, I understand what they mean by "were all sinners". That's the get out of jail free card. Does jesus pass those out? LOL

Ohh, i dont hate religion, i just think it's rampant with hypocrisy.

yes, you are right, it was a no premarital sex policy and not a no sex policy. I wonder how many "christians" follow that in the premarital life? LOL

You've just demonstrated that you do not understand (again as all this has been explained to you before). First is admission of sin, then repentence, then asking for forgiveness. NOT a get out of jail free card.

And yes, you are quite demonstrably anti-religion.

As to how many christians follow the contract they signed, that's not known, but I'm guessing a majority. In fact, had she acted like a christian and come to the admin, admitted her sin, repented and asked for forgiveness she may very well have been allowed to keep her job with them. But she didn't. In fact she's missing on the whole admittance, repentence prerequisites.
 
You mean like the star basketball player for BYU who got kicked off the team (and maybe out of school - can't remember for sure) for having premarital sex with his girlfriend?

There may be a double standard as to how you can discover if someone broke the rules, but you really can't argue about infractions being biased.

A man can deny it. Unless they do a paternity test to find out.
 
just curious, if someone was a beer drinker and was fired for drinking beer on their own time, would you say that they sucked at their job, too?

If it were on the employment contract that only non-drinkers were allowed employment and it were that person's job to show the public a job done by non-drinkers, then yes.
 
Was that a real question, or did you want a complimentary HAHA GOOD ONE! and then move on?

Gee, I'm sorry that the mean ol' oppressive church hurt your hyper-liberal, hyper-atheist sensitivities - but I don't think it's an excuse for hyperbole.


ummm, are you going to answer that question? if not, i'll move along.
 
I can recall many things in contracts, such as no discussing salaries among the other worker bees. Unless things are challenged they will remain the same. Rosie Parks should have moved to the back of the bus is what some are saying in here. Blacks daring to drink from the wrong water fountain...

I can see the desire for 'morality' clauses but like in the dis-cuss-ions on the BoR they are not without limit.

Given the current trend to separate the secular side of religious organizations there maybe a wind of change here.

I can see kicking a nun out of an order for fornication. A priest for molesting children, but like in the healthcare area, employees different. These workers should be treated like other secular employees, unless this young lady is a Church official I see thin ice for the Church to defend itself in court. (I recall a young lady being fired for cohabitation and the Chruch argued because she occasionally lead prayers so she was a 'preacher', even though ALL protestant sects allow for lay people to lead prayers)

This might be an interesting case to put before judges.
 
just curious, if someone was a beer drinker and was fired for drinking beer on their own time, would you say that they sucked at their job, too?

depends on the job.

If the job is to be a spokesman for the Prohibition movement, then yes. You suck at your job.
 
depends on the job.

If the job is to be a spokesman for the Prohibition movement, then yes. You suck at your job.

something like that, I can understand. Kinda like when someone in the "party of family values" is caught in bed with a person of the same sex or having an affair.
again, hypocrisy.
 
I can recall many things in contracts, such as no discussing salaries among the other worker bees. Unless things are challenged they will remain the same. Rosie Parks should have moved to the back of the bus is what some are saying in here. Blacks daring to drink from the wrong water fountain...

I can see the desire for 'morality' clauses but like in the dis-cuss-ions on the BoR they are not without limit.

Given the current trend to separate the secular side of religious organizations there maybe a wind of change here.

I can see kicking a nun out of an order for fornication. A priest for molesting children, but like in the healthcare area, employees different. These workers should be treated like other secular employees, unless this young lady is a Church official I see thin ice for the Church to defend itself in court. (I recall a young lady being fired for cohabitation and the Chruch argued because she occasionally lead prayers so she was a 'preacher', even though ALL protestant sects allow for lay people to lead prayers)

This might be an interesting case to put before judges.

So, as an example, you would believe it to be ok if a single female teacher in a Catholic school became pregnant? And why would the Church be on "thin ice" here when she clearly breached a contract she entered into voluntarily? Do you believe contract law can't be applied when a Church is involved or just when you find the terms of the contract not to your liking?
 
It's not a great situation.

It's not really a good policy, IMO.

But ultimately, if you don't want to abide by the terms of a contract, you shouldn't sign it. And she did. And then she didn't abide by the rules in that contract. Breaking your word and violating a contract can have consequences.
 
People can be born gay, and yet that same contract forbade her from being gay. Why do we tolerate **** like this from them?

I hope she sacks that place for everything they're worth.

What are you going to do about it? I know that damn 1st Amendment is a real pain in the ass, but what are you going to do about it?
 
It wasn't mentioned as a factor in the Christian school.

Well, i consider child molestation in the church sexual violence. So yeah, it does happen in these institutions.
 
So, as an example, you would believe it to be ok if a single female teacher in a Catholic school became pregnant? And why would the Church be on "thin ice" here when she clearly breached a contract she entered into voluntarily? Do you believe contract law can't be applied when a Church is involved or just when you find the terms of the contract not to your liking?

I believe contract law applies across the board. Do secular schools have contracts where teachers can be fired for having sex out of wedlock? Can a secular school fire a teacher for cohabitating.

THAT is my means test, if the Church wishes to engage in secular enterprizes, hospitals, general education schools they conform with secular world.

What amazes me is the idea ANY Church, much less a Catholic one fails the Jesus test. Jesus didn't cast out the sinner, the prositute, the leper.
 
Her lawyer is about as scummy as they get, so no need to say anything further. She signed, and now she must face the consequences of her actions. Wait, that's how our society universally did things back years ago; now, however, apparantley no one should have to face consequences for their actions.


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It's not a great situation.

It's not really a good policy, IMO.

But ultimately, if you don't want to abide by the terms of a contract, you shouldn't sign it. And she did. And then she didn't abide by the rules in that contract. Breaking your word and violating a contract can have consequences.

Yea but is the contract at all valid/legal? I know in Denmark it would not be legal at all.
 
Yea but is the contract at all valid/legal? I know in Denmark it would not be legal at all.

How could it NOT be legal? On what basis would one be precluded from a voluntary contract of employment?
 
I believe contract law applies across the board. Do secular schools have contracts where teachers can be fired for having sex out of wedlock? Can a secular school fire a teacher for cohabitating.

THAT is my means test, if the Church wishes to engage in secular enterprizes, hospitals, general education schools they conform with secular world.

No, but morals clauses do exist in secular contracts and they are enforceable. So it passes that means test.

What amazes me is the idea ANY Church, much less a Catholic one fails the Jesus test. Jesus didn't cast out the sinner, the prositute, the leper.

Couple things, first, Jesus is the gold standard. Being the son of God the bar is set a bit higher. And second, Jesus may not have cast out the sinner, but he did counsel repentence and did speak against those who did not admit their sin.
 
Again, she should have just claimed spontaneous pregnancy, perhaps by the Holy Spirit. Christians believe that is possible.
 
I believe contract law applies across the board. Do secular schools have contracts where teachers can be fired for having sex out of wedlock? Can a secular school fire a teacher for cohabitating.

Of course they can. I don't know any off hand that do, but it's within their ability.

Everyone has right to contract.
 
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