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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I just checked California law and its illegal to discriminate against an employee on the basis of martial status. That puts the school in the very difficult position of trying to argue that firing someone for having pre-marital isn't based on marital status.
    It's amazing what sorts of logical pretzels people contort themselves into over something so trivial and stupid. She wasn't fired for having pre-marital sex. She was fired for having pre-marital sex while under contract saying she specifically would NOT. They also fire for adultery, so the martial status red herring you suggest here bears meager fruit.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    No, that is doing less than you are doing.
    False. I am not inventing an argument for you, I am explaining to you what your argument does, even if you do not intend it to do so. Massive difference.

    If more than one solution is acceptable, then simply banning pre-marital sex is not necessary.
    Who gives a **** about any of that nonsense? What matters is that the school considers the pre-marital sex ban solution to be the most effective means of achieving their goals.


    No, I did this oh so difficult thing of looking at what her reasons might have been.
    No, you made up an excuse for her stupidity.

    If you were simply looking at what her reasons might have been, you would not have been responding to my post because you would have realized her reasoning has absolutely no effect on my statement whatsoever.

    I did not supply a value judgement on them.
    Yes you did: "The point is the contract was a bad one"

    That is a value judgement.

    I did not position her as a victim.
    "The point is the contract was a bad one, not that she did not violate it."


    In fact, your whole argument has had jack **** to do with what I actually said.
    Actually, it is entirely dependent on what you said. The combination of you making up excuses for her stupid decisions and your VALUE judgment about the contract is a promotion of the victim mentality, regardless of whether or not you are willing to admit it.

    That is a straw man: you invented a position and argued against it since you could not argue against my actual position.
    That's nonsense. I've been arguing against your position this entire time. Unlike you, I have actually used your statements as the basis of my rebuttals. I certainly never made any absurd statements like "so only one solution is acceptable?" when nothing at all was being discussed about acceptability, only efficacy.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    It's amazing what sorts of logical pretzels people contort themselves into over something so trivial and stupid. She wasn't fired for having pre-marital sex. She was fired for having pre-marital sex while under contract saying she specifically would NOT. They also fire for adultery, so the martial status red herring you suggest here bears meager fruit.
    I wonder how they feel about post-marital sex?

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Silly, and no, there is no precedent. Do you actually think they just took Mary's word for it? You've bought the victorian version of biblical history. Priests of the day did indeed check for the hymen. And in this day, if she makes such a claim she will have to produce the proof.

    But of course all this is specious as she openly admits to having violated the terms of her employment contract. She just doesn't believe it should apply to her.
    She really shouldn't have admitted it. She didn't have to. Not only could she have claimed spontaneous pregnancy (via the holy spirit... which does not require a hymen, just the lack of a human sex act), she also could have claimed IVF treatment, which also does not involve premarital sex. There is no way to prove any of these scenarios as false since they are a matter of private medical record.
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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I believe that our right to privacy justifies a law that prohibits employers from discriminating or firing employees for most off-work behavior and expressions of opinion. Since the US Supreme Court has a mixed record on whether we have a right to privacy, this may take a constitutional amendment. Without such protection and with the trend of corporate consolidation, our constitutional rights could become moot if all or most employers decided to restrict employee's off work behavior.
    Like drug testing?

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

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    She did sign some kind of agreement about not doing it. They only found out because she was pregnant, so ironically if she had gotten an abortion it would have been a-ok.
    What are we supposed to be debating here?

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    It's amazing what sorts of logical pretzels people contort themselves into over something so trivial and stupid. She wasn't fired for having pre-marital sex. She was fired for having pre-marital sex while under contract saying she specifically would NOT. They also fire for adultery, so the martial status red herring you suggest here bears meager fruit.
    Contracts that violate anti-discrimination laws are illegal and thus void.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Contracts that violate anti-discrimination laws are illegal and thus void.
    That's why she wasn't fired for being pregnant.

    Having sex is not covered under anti-discrimination law.

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    Re: Woman fired for having sex

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Contracts that violate anti-discrimination laws are illegal and thus void.
    Gosh, it's a good thing it doesn't violate any, eh?

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