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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    My original comment was just about the usual 5/4 vote.

    So, it seems Obama is Conservative enough to get support on this from the Conservative judges and not the Liberal ones.

    I feel like this should mean something but what? Next life I'll have to try being a full retail philosopher.



    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I don't dispute that, I simply point out that I believe this court case was initiated as a result of the Bush administration's policy - it's not an attack on Obama as opposed to an attack on the power of any administration operating under the same policy.

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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    My original comment was just about the usual 5/4 vote.

    So, it seems Obama is Conservative enough to get support on this from the Conservative judges and not the Liberal ones.

    I feel like this should mean something but what? Next life I'll have to try being a full retail philosopher.
    I think it means that when a silk-stockinged liberal gets control of government power, they quickly realize that utopia isn't possible and pragmatism is necessary - they are afraid to announce the error of their thinking, so they continue the practices of their predecessors in silence.

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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    I think it's pretty basic legalese.

    If there is no cause of action (someone must have been harmed in some way) or if there is no way to remedy the harm even if they can prove the harm, then the courts can do nothing.

    It's amazing how dumb the typical lefties are on the SCOTUS, though. They can't even understand the basic tenets of law.

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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I think it means that when a silk-stockinged liberal gets control of government power, they quickly realize that utopia isn't possible and pragmatism is necessary - they are afraid to announce the error of their thinking, so they continue the practices of their predecessors in silence.
    Utopia? What the **** are you talking about?


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Utopia? What the **** are you talking about?
    Nothing you'd understand - never mind

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    From the summary given, the court took the position that those filing the case had no standing since they had not proved any damage to themselves as a result of the law. It doesn't, necessarily, follow that if someone does file a case where they can demonstrate harm as a result of the law that the court would not take it up in the future.
    In theory, but I think this decision says a great deal. There is a conservative school of thought that the amendments related to crime only apply to criminal cases and then the right is only a right to have ill-gotten gains from being used against you. In other words, the police can kick in your door and take your stuff under the Constitution just so long as they don't use it against you. Your only remedy would be to sue them for the trespass and the value of the goods. It sounds to me, without having read the opinion, that is the gauntlet they are throwing down here--the government can do it but any rights violation only applies if you are charged (i.e. legally harmed) and since these people were not charged with anything, they have no standing. If that is not in the opinion then I suspect that is what they would have gotten to in the end.

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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nothing you'd understand - never mind
    Are you saying liberals want to make a "utopia"?


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    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I think it's pretty basic legalese.

    If there is no cause of action (someone must have been harmed in some way) or if there is no way to remedy the harm even if they can prove the harm, then the courts can do nothing.

    It's amazing how dumb the typical lefties are on the SCOTUS, though. They can't even understand the basic tenets of law.
    An invasion of privacy is actual harm, and a remedy might be that the government cease and desist.

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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Are you saying liberals want to make a "utopia"?
    Utopia would be good in all cases but what Type of utopia is the question. Everyone has a different perfect world. Either way it is never possible
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    Re: Supreme Court Rejects Challenge to Surveillance Law

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I think it's pretty basic legalese.

    If there is no cause of action (someone must have been harmed in some way) or if there is no way to remedy the harm even if they can prove the harm, then the courts can do nothing.

    It's amazing how dumb the typical lefties are on the SCOTUS, though. They can't even understand the basic tenets of law.
    It's amazing how much conservatives support big government while claiming the opposite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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