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Father wants school dress code changed after son asked to remove Marines T-shirt

Tucker Case said:
From the definition of activism, of course (the real one, not the one you have made up in your head)

Activism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

You should look up straw man as well, since you got that wrong too.
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your link does not say that it has to be controversial. so where did that word come into this debate? sounds like a straw man to me.

marine shirts are not controversial to all but the most repugnant liberals out there.
 
madman said:
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I though the cons were all about following the rules and laws of society? I mean, just remove the damn shirt.

Like the cons are for smaller governemet, i guess it's just another myth.
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i just love this part:

“He was upset, he couldn’t understand it,” he continued. “He couldn’t understand why a teacher would make him do that.”

LOL, playing the "VICTIM". :lol:
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I wouldn't have any problem at all with school uniforms- not because of political identity, but because it helps mediate the obvious disparities in the classroom, when one kid has parents who can afford to buy him the best of everything, but another kid's parents are scraping just to meet his basic needs. External image is far too important to teens, in specific, and uniforms would make them less focused on appearances, which is a shallow focus to begin with.
 
ARealConservative said:
your link does not say that it has to be controversial.
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HAs to, no, but it did say "especially in support of or opposition to one side of a controversial issue"


so where did that word come into this debate?
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It is present in the definition. The real one, not the one you have made up.

sounds like a straw man to me.
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that is because straw man is very much like activism in teh sense that you do not know what it means.

marine shirts are not controversial to all but the most repugnant liberals out there.
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See, had you actually known what a strawman was, you'd have known this was one.
 
ARealConservative said:
So now we agree that school is the place for activism.


the only real difference is which activism we agree with.
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Activism, by your definition is in every nook and cranny of our society. Hey, I should be able to wear Basketball shorts and flipflops to work everyday, but nope. "Activism" through my companies dress code prevents me from doing that. And it makes sense. We have to project a sense of professionalism for our customers, I unfortunately don't work for GOOGLE.

I could counter it with my form of "activism" but would soon be without a job.

I think if you have to call it activism, then your next decision should be based on whether or not it's a distraction or its condusive to the primary purpose it was put in place to protect.

That is in school, kids are there primarily to learn. Everything is else is secondary. Dress codes makes sense because they reduce distractions. Kids, some not mine for some reason can be distracted very easilly so why not do something that benefits them all ?
 
Tucker Case said:
You have yet to provide an actual dictionary definition that supports your position, ergo your definition must be made up. It's really simple logic, since if you were using a real definition ,you'd be able to provide evidence of that.
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your definition works for me. implementing a dress code is activism per your defintion as well.
 
ARealConservative said:
Activism consists of efforts to promote, impede, or direct social, political, economic, or environmental change, or stasis.

a policy of directing social order - by changing or preserving, is activism.
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One can say enacting laws are a form of activism by this definition.
 
ARealConservative said:
a real one?
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Yes. As in real definition as compared to the imaginary one you are using.

i'm guessing you were beat up plenty as a child.
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I'm guessing that you don't have a real definition of activism that supports your position and are now desperately trying to avoid admitting your failure to use the word correctly given the fact that you, in a fit of phenomenally ignorant irony, accused me of changing the definition. :lol:
 
Fenton said:
Well if you don't like it you call all ways...
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I get it. you are just doing what is right. Everybody else simply wants to "stir up crap"

/eye roll
 
Tucker Case said:
That's not a definition, it's the first line of a wiki article about activism.
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I never said it was.



for the record:


noun
1.
the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.
2.
Philosophy .
a.
a theory that the essence of reality is pure activity, especially spiritual activity, or process.
b.
a theory that the relationship between the mind and the objects of perception depends upon the action of the mind.
 
madman said:
I never said it was.
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Well, when you said "according to your definition", you didn't explicitly point out that his "definition" wasn't a real definition. I just wanted to make sure that the imaginary nature of his "definition" was very clear.
 
madman said:
I never said it was.



for the record:


noun
1.
the doctrine or practice of vigorous action or involvement as a means of achieving political or other goals, sometimes by demonstrations, protests, etc.
2.
Philosophy .
a.
a theory that the essence of reality is pure activity, especially spiritual activity, or process.
b.
a theory that the relationship between the mind and the objects of perception depends upon the action of the mind.
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this one works too. has the definition inspector approved it yet?
 
How bout my little friend? Harvey.
Tucker Case said:
False. There is nothing more imaginary than your definition of activism. Some things might be equally imaginary, but it is actually impossible for anything to be more imaginary.
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