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Father wants school dress code changed after son asked to remove Marines T-shirt

Tucker Case said:
Absolutely.
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Then why the entire post attempting to counter my statement regarding the inane nature of suggesting being against a public schools dress code is somehow being against small government by talking about localities and such?

But why is some local situation that is really trivial making national news at all?
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Which is an entirely different issue than the one I was addressing in the post you quoted, thus my confusion. Yeah, this is stupid as a national story....as is a **** ton of the "news" put out by all the 24/7 type of news outlets. I haven't suggested otherwise on that.
 
Redress said:
The reaction was to the assumed rule violation. Only liberals seem to think rules should apply.

See how stupid that kind of argument is?
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Where'd I say that? Now, I can see the event happening in that the liberal teacher doesn't like the shirt, maybe because in light of the current climate of the gun debate she is backing the liberal point of view, or because she doesn't like the military. I think the first is more likely...Then she over reacted, and tried to bully the student instead of taking it through proper channels....It was the teacher that acted stupidly here.
 
j-mac said:
Would they have forced the boy to turn the shirt inside out, and threaten him with suspension if he didn't? Or, would they have not referred the matter to the principle?
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Without knowing the full situation it's entirely impossible to know how they'd act. It's irrelevant to the ignorant notion of you just leaping to the assumption that the individual must be a "liberal" because she's in the educational field.
 
Zyphlin said:
And a random person being shot isn't national news either, and yet we were having a proliferation of such stories with that as well. Because, as Redress accurately said, most news agencies...not just fox...are businesses built around generating controversy to up readership and thus up advertiser dollars, and they glom onto sensationalized things that have no business being a national story because it helps that cause.
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Apples to Oranges, though. The story about the shooting is as useful for the overall national debate about gun control as story about someone using a gun for self-defense would be. an argument can be made for reporting the story nationally besides pure sensationalism.

Whereas this story does not have any value to any national debates (the existence of dress codes at schools is fairly universally accepted and agreed upon, whereas the debate about specific dress codes at each school is entirely localized).
 
Zyphlin said:
Then why the entire post attempting to counter my statement regarding the inane nature of suggesting being against a public schools dress code is somehow being against small government by talking about localities and such?
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The specific statement I was responding to was fairly general, even though it was directed at a specific comment. I wanted to make sure that the differentiation was made since there are plenty of people here (not you, but others) who would mistakenly think that THEIR annoyance/outrage is not anti-small-government based on your position.



Which is an entirely different issue than the one I was addressing in the post you quoted, thus my confusion. Yeah, this is stupid as a national story....as is a **** ton of the "news" put out by all the 24/7 type of news outlets. I haven't suggested otherwise on that.
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Yes, but this one is only a national story BECAUSE of the incongruity between allegedly supporting "small government" principles and actually supporting them. There is no opportunity to sensationalize this story without that incongruity.
 
Zyphlin said:
Without knowing the full situation it's entirely impossible to know how they'd act. It's irrelevant to the ignorant notion of you just leaping to the assumption that the individual must be a "liberal" because she's in the educational field.
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Well, that is true, but the odds are with me.
 
madman said:
An Illinois father wants a school district to
reconsider its dress code after his
son was asked to remove a U.S. Marines T-shirt or be suspended, FoxNews.com has learned.
Daniel McIntyre, 44, of Genoa, told FoxNews.com that his 14-year-old son, Michael, was asked to remove the T-shirt by eighth-grade teacher Karen Deverell during reading class at Genoa-Kingston Middle School on Monday. Deverell, citing the school’s dress code, said the garment’s interlocking rifles was problematic and had to be removed from sight, McIntyre said.

Read more: Father wants school dress code changed after son asked to remove Marines T-shirt | Fox News

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I though the cons were all about following the rules and laws of society? I mean, just remove the damn shirt.

Like the cons are for smaller governemet, i guess it's just another myth.
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i just love this part:

“He was upset, he couldn’t understand it,” he continued. “He couldn’t understand why a teacher would make him do that.”

LOL, playing the "VICTIM". :lol:
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As a "Con" I would have made him remove it too, IF it was actually against the dress code. School isn't the place for activism, making political statements or exposing your affiliations through dress code violations. Change the shirt or suffer the consequences.
 
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Fenton said:
As a "Con" I would have made him remove it too. School isn't the place for activism, making political statements or exposing your affiliations through dress code violations. Change the shirt or suffer the consequences.
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school isn't the place for activism, so you would actively implement your own dress code policy to show them.

wow.
 
ARealConservative said:
school isn't the place for activism, so you would actively implement your
own dress code policy to show them.

wow.
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Yea, my bad. I changed it. Its what I get for reading the link AFTER I replied to the OP.
 
mak2 said:
Let me try this one more time. A teacher made a kid turn his T shirt inside out becaue of mistaken interpertation of the school rules. Superentiendt fixes it. Bingo, it is national news. Am I the only one that sees a problem with this.
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No, but it takes our mind off the sequester mess! :thumbs: Perpetually outrage apparently requires new material from time to time... :)
 
Fenton said:
Yea, my bad. I changed it. Its what I get for reading the link AFTER I replied to the OP.
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still, the dress code itself amounts to activism.
 
Ok, well if it serves a purpose, I'm good. :)
polgara said:
No, but it takes our mind off the sequester mess! :thumbs: Perpetually outrage apparently requires new material from time to time... :)
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I'm a stickler for dress codes and I've seen some instances where parents do try to skirt the dress coee just to seemingly stir up crap.
 
Fenton said:
I'm a stickler for dress codes and I've seen some instances where parents do try to skirt the dress coee just to seemingly stir up crap.
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good thing school is no place for activism. We don't have to worry about you stirring things up and by trying to implement a dress code.
 
Tucker Case said:
A school dress code =/= activism. Just sayin'.
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implementing a dress code is every bit as much activism as altering one. you don't get to redefine words. just saying.
 
ARealConservative said:
still, the dress code itself amounts to activism.
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Well, the schools around my parts enacted a dress code about 10 years ago and initially I was a bit irritated but over time it really started to make sense.

I had 2 kids in school at the time. First it makes it easier on the parents every year when it comes time to purchase new clothes and it also stops some of the destractions kids run into like teasing because of dress style or fashion.

My kids were in school for one reason, and they understood it from a early age. To focus on their work and take advantage of the reason why that big utilitarian looking brick building exist. To learn.

So within reason the less distractions the better and dress codes are very reasonable.
 
ARealConservative said:
implementing a dress code is every bit as much activism as altering one. you don't get to redefine words. just saying.
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I'm not redefining any terms. I'm using the real definitions of them rather than the one you made up. There is nothing controversial about a dress code, as all schools everywhere have a dress code. All of them. Even before the first class is held, a dress code exists.

Specific inclusions in the dress code could be construed as activism, but the dress code itself is not.
 
Tucker Case said:
I'm not redefining any terms. I'm using the real definitions of them rather than the one you made up. There is nothing controversial about a dress code, as all schools everywhere have a dress code. All of them. Even before the first class is held, a dress code exists.

Specific inclusions in the dress code could be construed as activism, but the dress code itself is not.
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A person trying to implement a new dress code is engaging in activism. you don't get to change definitions, and you don't get to argue straw men with me.

and where did the word controversial come in to discussion?
 
ARealConservative said:
A person trying to implement a new dress code is engaging in activism. you don't get to change definitions, and you don't get to argue straw men with me.
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Every school does have a dress code though. Often that code is very loose, as in "must be wearing clothes that cover their naughty bits," but it's still a dress code.
 
rocket88 said:
Every school does have a dress code though. Often that code is very loose, as in "must be wearing clothes that cover their naughty bits," but it's still a dress code.
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Activism consists of efforts to promote, impede, or direct social, political, economic, or environmental change, or stasis.

a policy of directing social order - by changing or preserving, is activism.
 
ARealConservative said:
A person trying to implement a new dress code is engaging in
activism. you don't get to change definitions, and you don't get to argue straw men with me.

and where did the word controversial come in to discussion?
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Some activism makes sense.
 
Fenton said:
Some activism makes sense.
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So now we agree that school is the place for activism.

the only real difference is which activism we agree with.
 
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