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Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

This is all such bull! Obama came up with this sequester crap, because he couldn't negotiate honestly with the GOP on a debt ceiling increase some year and a half ago. Now, not only does he want to blame his idea on repubs dishonestly, but want's to use typical fear tactics to get his way...I am so tired of this tin pot wanna be, repubs should ram these cuts right down his throat, and use every chance to make sure that America knows it was HIS idea.

I agree with you. I also think it's a bunch of inconsequential nonsense. However. Obama is an expert at using the bully pulpit. Others should take note.
 
I agree with you. I also think it's a bunch of inconsequential nonsense. However. Obama is an expert at using the bully pulpit. Others should take note.

That would require that the republicans recognize reality

What are the odds? :shrug:
 
That would require that the republicans recognize reality

What are the odds? :shrug:


Recognize what? That Obama is a liar? We already have, if you want deniers of reality in this realm then look to any run of the mill progressive Obama voter.
 
You call it cooperation, I call it caving....I think it
is a HUGE mistake.

No its not. The cuts are still there, and NOW if Obama choses to follow through with is apocolyptic views, then its all on him.

If he doesn't then he was just lying.

Its actually brilliant.
 
Either way, Obama's in a real pinch.

This is what happens when you sign something and then demagogue it to death.
 
No its not. The cuts are still there, and NOW if Obama choses to follow through with is apocolyptic views, then its all on him.

If he doesn't then he was just lying.

Its actually brilliant.

Maybe, but this administration are masters at fudging numbers to make it look like what it isn't...I don't trust them to do anything in cutting if they are allowed to manipulate the numbers.
 
Maybe, but this administration are masters at fudging numbers to make it look like what it isn't...I don't trust them to do anything in cutting if they are allowed to manipulate the numbers.

Shocking. You've decided the cuts are bad before you know what they are, and even if they are something you might agree with, there's always the conspiracy theory to fall back on.
 
Shocking. You've decided the cuts are bad before you know what they are, and even if they are something you might agree with, there's always the conspiracy theory to fall back on.

No, the 'cuts' as they stand now, are in the form of future increases in spending. They don't touch what is being spent now, nor will they actually decrease what would be spent in future years at the same rate of today should this go through. How is freezing at today's spending rate, a 'cut'?
 
Maybe, but this administration are masters at
fudging numbers to make it look like
what it isn't...I don't trust them to do anything in cutting if they are allowed to manipulate the numbers.

They way I see it the only thing they're masters at is understanding that their base will continue to defend his failure right down to it's eventual collapse.

The rest, the uneducated, low information voter will wake up when the pain reaches them and they cannot reconcile after 6-8 years, its still Bush's fault.

Its the only two demographic groups Obama has control over. He's really not fooling anyone.

You know what they say about common sense. It's like deoderant. The people that need it most are the ones who never use it.
 
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Either way, Obama's in a real pinch.

I don't think so. I doubt the members of congress have the backbone to let the sequester happen. But if they do, it is an inconsequential cut. It is really meaningless and Obama doesn't care a whit about reducing defense spending. I think he probably welcomes it. It is just another bit of theater from the capitol.
 
I don't think so. I doubt the members of congress have the backbone to let the
sequester happen. But if they do, it is an inconsequential cut. It is really meaningless and Obama doesn't care a whit about reducing defense spending. I think he probably welcomes it. It is just another bit of theater from the capitol.

The way I see it, IF the Repubs grow a backbone is he now has their permission to give his agency heads room to work with to prevent the sky from falling.

He then has no excuse to try and demagogue the issue any more.

Plus, he will be caught in ANOTHER lie.

OR he could lay off or furlough Eleventy-Billion pregnant Mothers with Polio ......and be totally responsoble for it
 
No, the 'cuts' as they stand now, are in the form of future increases in spending. They don't touch what is being spent now, nor will they actually decrease what would be spent in future years at the same rate of today should this go through. How is freezing at today's spending rate, a 'cut'?

Because population grows and inflation exists.
 
Because population grows and inflation exists.

Two areas that liberals are trying their level best to artificially control right?

1. Population growth - liberal answer over 300K abortions per year.

2. Inflation - liberal answer print money into circulation at ever increasing rates.

Problem is that at least in #2's area, is that at some point math dictates that all that excess paper money has to be clawed back, or collapse happens, so massive inflation is how that happens....All liberals like Obama are doing right now is to play a shell game on America.
 
The Obama supporters, low information voters all, understand one sentence: Obama good, Republicans bad. Any additional information makes them tired and sleepy. they can't even spell sequestration, let alone understand what it is. That is how Liberal politics succeeds.
 
The Obama supporters, low information voters all, understand one sentence: Obama good, Republicans bad. Any additional information makes them tired and sleepy. they can't even spell sequestration, let alone understand what it is. That is how Liberal politics succeeds.


Gee, I didn't know that Jan Brewer and Bob McDonnell and John Hickenlooper were "Obama supporters"

Obama looks for new allies in 'sequester' fight: Republican governors - CSMonitor.com

And there's reason to believe that at least some Republican governors – who will be forced to grapple directly with the impact of the cuts, and in some cases, perhaps, make up the difference from their own cash-starved budgets – may indeed prove compelling lobbyists. As Politico reported Sunday: "[Republican] governors have publicly signed on to letters bashing Obama and praising House Republicans' efforts, but privately their offices have been urging lawmakers to work harder to avoid potentially devastating cuts – particularly those that could hit local programs."
 
Sequestration? Yea, let it happen. Obama's idea? Yes, but at the time, the alternative was to default on the debt, which the Republicans were more than willing to do. And, don't forget, that this passed the Republican House. It takes two to tango, folks, and the Democrats and Republicans were perfect dance partners.... Except that Republicans are now saying they didn't dance.

Are you ready for this novel concept? Here it comes............

Democrats and Republicans are BOTH to blame for the sequester. How's that for a novel thought, that actually happens to be true? The party of responsibility has once again demonstrated that they are not willing to take responsibility for their own actions.
 
Two areas that liberals are trying their level best to artificially control right?

1. Population growth - liberal answer over 300K abortions per year.

2. Inflation - liberal answer print money into circulation at ever increasing rates.

Problem is that at least in #2's area, is that at some point math dictates that all that excess paper money has to be clawed back, or collapse happens, so massive inflation is how that happens....All liberals like Obama are doing right now is to play a shell game on America.

There isn't anything in this post that reflects reality.
 
Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.



So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?


Meeting way over on the right is not compromising
 
Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.



So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?


Meeting way over on the right is not compromising
The problem with the revenue side of this is that Obama is only interested in increasing taxes on "the rich". In terms of total revenue, the vast majority of the Bush tax cuts went to the "middle class". In order to recoup that revenue Obama needed to demand that all tax rates needed to be returned to pre-Bush tax cut levels. He didn't. In the end we got a token increase on people making over something like 400k per year. It amounts to peanuts compared to trillion dollar plus deficits. The same can be said about the sequester. It's freaking peanuts. COMBINED it amounts to peanuts.

None of these people are serious about this at all. Compromise? The revenue side gave us about 50 billion a year and the sequester cuts about that same amount(and I'd bet that they find a way to avoid even these miniscule cuts). Combined it is less than 10% of the deficit. There are no solutions on the table that even address the problem so what the hell is there that even warrants the use of the term "compromise"?

We're being played yet again...
 
Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.

Except in liberal dictionaries....Their definition goes like this...Compromise (kom-pro-mize) - noun - 1. When ideological opposition capitulates and does it our way.

So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?


Meeting way over on the right is not compromising

Obama just got a tax hike...Where's the cuts? Where's the budget? You're acting like the recent hike in taxes didn't happen.
 
Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.

So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?

Meeting way over on the right is not compromising

Because you know damn well that not all things are viewed equally by either side....

The Presidents side wants to increase revenue. So what if the Republicans came out and provided "revenue" increases, either through across the board tax increases or through the removal of deduction options? Would Democrats suggest that was "compromising" on the part of the Republicans and get on board? Or would they suggest it's not compromising and come up with reasons to argue against it?

Similarly the Republican side wants to decrease revenue. So what if the Democrats came out and said they'd cut government spending by 25%, with 80% of that cut all coming from Defense? Would that be honestly attempting to "compromise" or an attempt Republicans should realistically accept in representing their constituents?

Yes, in theory you want to say that "compromies" just means "Doing some revenue raisers and some spending cuts"...but that's a lot more simplistic than you can get when it comes into reality.

For example, the President's plan that was put forth was largely back loaded in terms of cuts while front loaded in terms of revenue increases...meaning that any given president or congress (or even himself) could undo his spending cut plans long before they occur, but the revenue increases would already be in place. It took into account saving sfrom things that would occur REGARDLESS if a "deal" was reached, such as troops drawing down in Iraq and in Afghanistan. It was an attempt to APPEAR to compromise with what the Republicans wanted, but was not an honest one.

On the flip side. The Republicans put forth a plan that would raise revenues, in part through increasing the effective tax rates of many people. However, many of the various instances in their tax plan would have impacted the middle class and lower classes in a significant way. It was an attempt to APPEAR to compromise with what hte Democrats wanted, but was not an honest one.

Both attempts to "compromise" ultimately failed because they simply attempted to address the macro notions of the other side on the most basic level while basically ignoring the micro details of what the other side was actually trying for and wanting.
 
This is all such bull! Obama came up with this sequester crap, because he couldn't negotiate honestly with the GOP on a debt ceiling increase some year and a half ago. Now, not only does he want to blame his idea on repubs dishonestly, but want's to use typical fear tactics to get his way...I am so tired of this tin pot wanna be, repubs should ram these cuts right down his throat, and use every chance to make sure that America knows it was HIS idea.

Bohner stated that he got 98% of what he wanted in the negotiations that resulted in the sequester and more Republicans than Dems passed it in the House yet you continue to beleive it was all Obama's fault. The sequester was meant to be BAD so Congress would get their act together and pass responsible deficit reduction. So much for that.
 
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