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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Sequestration? Yea, let it happen. Obama's idea? Yes, but at the time, the alternative was to default on the debt, which the Republicans were more than willing to do. And, don't forget, that this passed the Republican House. It takes two to tango, folks, and the Democrats and Republicans were perfect dance partners.... Except that Republicans are now saying they didn't dance.

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    Democrats and Republicans are BOTH to blame for the sequester. How's that for a novel thought, that actually happens to be true? The party of responsibility has once again demonstrated that they are not willing to take responsibility for their own actions.
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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

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    Two areas that liberals are trying their level best to artificially control right?

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    Problem is that at least in #2's area, is that at some point math dictates that all that excess paper money has to be clawed back, or collapse happens, so massive inflation is how that happens....All liberals like Obama are doing right now is to play a shell game on America.
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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.



    So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

    a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

    Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?


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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.



    So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

    a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

    Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?


    Meeting way over on the right is not compromising
    The problem with the revenue side of this is that Obama is only interested in increasing taxes on "the rich". In terms of total revenue, the vast majority of the Bush tax cuts went to the "middle class". In order to recoup that revenue Obama needed to demand that all tax rates needed to be returned to pre-Bush tax cut levels. He didn't. In the end we got a token increase on people making over something like 400k per year. It amounts to peanuts compared to trillion dollar plus deficits. The same can be said about the sequester. It's freaking peanuts. COMBINED it amounts to peanuts.

    None of these people are serious about this at all. Compromise? The revenue side gave us about 50 billion a year and the sequester cuts about that same amount(and I'd bet that they find a way to avoid even these miniscule cuts). Combined it is less than 10% of the deficit. There are no solutions on the table that even address the problem so what the hell is there that even warrants the use of the term "compromise"?

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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There isn't anything in this post that reflects reality.
    Are you kidding me here....Math is math dude...Good grief.
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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.
    Except in liberal dictionaries....Their definition goes like this...Compromise (kom-pro-mize) - noun - 1. When ideological opposition capitulates and does it our way.

    So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

    a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

    Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?


    Meeting way over on the right is not compromising
    Obama just got a tax hike...Where's the cuts? Where's the budget? You're acting like the recent hike in taxes didn't happen.
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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Compromise: noun: An agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions.

    So the horrible Obamabots want nothing but tax increases and the solid True American Republicans demand nothing but government spending cuts - right?

    a compromise solution to most rational beings would seem to include some tax increases and some spending cuts but with an overall increase in government revenues to start decreasing the deficit.

    Why is the President's proposal of cuts and tax increases not seen as a compromise and in fact he is constantly castigated for failing to compromise. But how is he to compromise with a faction that demands he accede to their "cuts only" position?

    Meeting way over on the right is not compromising
    Because you know damn well that not all things are viewed equally by either side....

    The Presidents side wants to increase revenue. So what if the Republicans came out and provided "revenue" increases, either through across the board tax increases or through the removal of deduction options? Would Democrats suggest that was "compromising" on the part of the Republicans and get on board? Or would they suggest it's not compromising and come up with reasons to argue against it?

    Similarly the Republican side wants to decrease revenue. So what if the Democrats came out and said they'd cut government spending by 25%, with 80% of that cut all coming from Defense? Would that be honestly attempting to "compromise" or an attempt Republicans should realistically accept in representing their constituents?

    Yes, in theory you want to say that "compromies" just means "Doing some revenue raisers and some spending cuts"...but that's a lot more simplistic than you can get when it comes into reality.

    For example, the President's plan that was put forth was largely back loaded in terms of cuts while front loaded in terms of revenue increases...meaning that any given president or congress (or even himself) could undo his spending cut plans long before they occur, but the revenue increases would already be in place. It took into account saving sfrom things that would occur REGARDLESS if a "deal" was reached, such as troops drawing down in Iraq and in Afghanistan. It was an attempt to APPEAR to compromise with what the Republicans wanted, but was not an honest one.

    On the flip side. The Republicans put forth a plan that would raise revenues, in part through increasing the effective tax rates of many people. However, many of the various instances in their tax plan would have impacted the middle class and lower classes in a significant way. It was an attempt to APPEAR to compromise with what hte Democrats wanted, but was not an honest one.

    Both attempts to "compromise" ultimately failed because they simply attempted to address the macro notions of the other side on the most basic level while basically ignoring the micro details of what the other side was actually trying for and wanting.

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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Are you kidding me here....Math is math dude...Good grief.
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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There wasn't any math in that post.
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    Re: Republicans aim to call Obama's 'bluff' on spending cuts

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    This is all such bull! Obama came up with this sequester crap, because he couldn't negotiate honestly with the GOP on a debt ceiling increase some year and a half ago. Now, not only does he want to blame his idea on repubs dishonestly, but want's to use typical fear tactics to get his way...I am so tired of this tin pot wanna be, repubs should ram these cuts right down his throat, and use every chance to make sure that America knows it was HIS idea.
    Bohner stated that he got 98% of what he wanted in the negotiations that resulted in the sequester and more Republicans than Dems passed it in the House yet you continue to beleive it was all Obama's fault. The sequester was meant to be BAD so Congress would get their act together and pass responsible deficit reduction. So much for that.

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